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2 x AQ on Q high flop

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schelleXL
Joined: 05.05.2011

Hello,

2 hands which are in a way similar looking at flop

1/
Pré : hand is too weak to squeeze
Flop : Here I checked to the PFA because not really much to be afraid of and not much I can get value from
Turn : is blank so nothing changes
River : he bets again and big. Was confident that the fold was good.

MP: $11.47 (VPIP: 17.78, PFR: 14.44, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 186)
MP+1: $10.00 (VPIP: 20.37, PFR: 17.28, 3Bet Preflop: 1.85, Hands: 167)
CO: $15.39 (VPIP: 16.66, PFR: 13.08, 3Bet Preflop: 6.19, Hands: 3,756)
BTN: $8.30 (VPIP: 23.48, PFR: 21.97, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 133)
Hero (SB): $10.00
BB: $8.95 (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
UTG: $7.25 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
UTG+1: $24.50 (VPIP: 14.97, PFR: 10.48, 3Bet Preflop: 5.15, Hands: 355)

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q♠ A♠

UTG raises to $0.30, UTG+1 calls $0.30, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.25, fold

Flop: ($1.00, 3 players) Q♥ 4♦ 8♣
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70, fold

Turn: ($2.40, 2 players) 2♣
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $1.70, Hero calls $1.70

River: ($5.80, 2 players) 7♥
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $4.00, fold

Spoiler

UTG+1 wins $5.54

2/
Pré : hand is too weak to raise vs tight UTG
flop : I check behind because Qx I beat if he didn't want to bet the flop like I did in hand 1, other hands I'm not gonna get value from on this dry board. Also not gonna get 3 streets of value when he checks to me here.
Turn : here he bets 3/4 pot so KJ, set, Qx or maybe a AT/KT type of hand.
river : is blank : a few missed draws he can bet, Qx or sets. I should call here.

UTG+1: $10.13 (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
MP: $3.26 (VPIP: 14.00, PFR: 14.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 102)
MP+1: $14.94 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
CO: $11.63 (VPIP: 16.10, PFR: 13.56, 3Bet Preflop: 9.24, Hands: 359)
Hero (BTN): $10.00
SB: $4.00 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
BB: $2.37 (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 15.94, 3Bet Preflop: 9.62, Hands: 143)
UTG: $10.75 (VPIP: 10.67, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 75)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q♥ A♣

UTG raises to $0.30, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.30, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) 4♦ 7♥ Q♠
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.75, 2 players) T♣
UTG bets $0.54, Hero calls $0.54

River: ($1.83, 2 players) 2♦
UTG bets $1.31, Hero calls $1.31

Spoiler

UTG shows 7♦ 7♠ (Three of a Kind, Sevens)
(Pre 55%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)
Hero mucks Q♥ A♣ (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 45%, Flop 2%, Turn 0%)
UTG wins $4.25

your thoughts ?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

POst every hand in different thread. This way it will get a more detailed analysis.

AQ is a super hand for squeeze(1) and bluff 3 bet(2)...


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schelleXL
Joined: 05.05.2011

Nitrol,

really super hand ? For Fullring vs UTG raise and call.
same for hand 2 vs UTG nit 10/6/3 ?

I'm just asking becuase I'm getting beat pretty hard playing that way the last 7 months.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

If you think it is bad for a squeeze, than it is awful to call with it. :)
You use the bluff element when squeezing.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

I like the second hand. The flop check-back (which is not a slowplay, it is a value check-back) is quite likely to both win you some money when you are ahead and to save you some money when you are behind.

This spot isn't extremely clear cut for a check-back, but here is one that is: You hold A♥:A♠: on a 7♦:7♠:2♣: board in a 3-bet pot in position versus two opponents who both check. But with A♥:A♠: on a 7♦:7♠:4♣: a check-back is highly debatable (I'd not do it as a rule).


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Hand 1 you can squeeze. I think AQs still beats UTG+1's calling range and we have fold equity. Hand 2 is fine imo. I like calling vs tight UTG opener.
If you think AQs is not strong enough to squeeze, I would not call it either. If we call we will be playing MW OOP vs 2 tight guys.
Also no need to call 2 streets even if we hit in that case imo.


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scopinad
Joined: 13.06.2015

If we apply level1 thinking which is nl10 and look at the flop, dont we know the villains cards like he was playing face up? Too much effort to guess ranges when we know the hole cards already (almost). Who did not know he had TT or 77 in the second hand?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

77 should bet on the flop. He can have any Tx.
Imo villain played his hand poorly and we shouldn't expect him to have 77.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Yes, 77 should be cbetting this flop trying to put money in the pot.


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scopinad
Joined: 13.06.2015

UTG raiser with Tx?????


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

TT... if on a bad string maybe ATs...


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by scopinad
UTG raiser with Tx?????

How nit are you? He can have ATs,KTs,QTs,JTs,T9s and TT.


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AXSPIRAL
Joined: 06.03.2011

well on th efirst hand if you call the turn and then the river is pretty much a blank you either should call too or just fold on the turn already if you are not willed to call on a blank.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by la55i

Originally posted by scopinad
UTG raiser with Tx?????

How nit are you? He can have ATs,KTs,QTs,JTs,T9s and TT.

Well, this is FR and KTs, QTs and maybe JTs-T9s are not in UTG opening range.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I totally missed that it is FR. In that case I agree that some of those hands might not be in his range.


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