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river spot w straight; villain leads river after cbet on f and check-calling turn

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briccius
Joined: 26.06.2007

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

SB ($43.74)
BB ($33.11)
UTG ($33.45)
MP ($29.05)
CO ($41.61)
Hero (Button) ($38.38)

Preflop: Hero is Button with ,
2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.85) , , (2 players)
CO bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($3.85) (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $2.25, CO calls $2.25

River: ($8.35) (2 players)
CO bets $5.50, Hero raises to $17.11, CO calls $11.61

Total pot: $42.57 | Rake: $2.12

Results below:

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Hero had 10, Q (straight, Queen high).
CO had 9, Q (flush, Queen high).
Outcome: CO won $40.45

I thought he would have continued aggression with a flush draw. But my river raise was to big anyway. Should have made it around 12. Too big and Tx might find a fold. Only calling the river was an option, too, but I think missing some value from Tx. Also, maybe I could bet a little bigger on the turn. But it did not seem too dangerous to me, because I discounted the flushdraw too quickly


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I would bet turn bigger. You want villain to pay you.
What is the purpose of your river raise when the flush completes?


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briccius
Joined: 26.06.2007

if you had read my post more carefully, you would know. I am a fan of your straightforward statements, just some times you are a little rash. no offence


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Excuse me. I didn't look at the Spoiler.
Please, do not put your thoughts in Spoiler. No offence, but their placeis not there...


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

I think own thoughts in a separate (very visible) spoiler is a good idea. How about it? Sometimes I don't want to see OP's thoughts before I think about the hand.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Now I am very disappointed. I thought you had found a good opponent and was trying to bluff him off of a non-nut flush:D

Okay, lets buy you discounted the flush possibilities for the sake of reasoning and do have a value raise. You must make it very small. This is dangerous since villain might become enterprising instead of folding/calling. I'd personally just call on the river. This situation illustrates that in order to make a river value raise in position, it is by far not enough to have 51% equity, especially when there's money behind.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

You could bet bigger OTT to charge villain. OTR I would not raise because the flush just came there. I think you can not exclude the possibility of villain having flushes just because he didn't continue with his aggression. Here for example I think villains check on the turn is ok. He is not drawing to the nuts. Even if we assume that villain doesn't have any flushes here and you hold the nuts, your raise size is too big.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by briccius
if you had read my post more carefully, you would know. I am a fan of your straightforward statements, just some times you are a little rash. no offence

Well, now I read the Spoiler thoughts and it kills me how light you discount flushes... Flush is really possible and in fact Q,T,9,8 flushes will play this way.
I am not raising here.


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AXSPIRAL
Joined: 06.03.2011

yes, probably make turn bet a bit bigger and just call the river on a completed flush


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Pokerruudje
Joined: 12.12.2007

As played.... turnraise bigger.... river a call
Preflop? Q10o? for me a fold


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

You are right that QTo is not good preflop.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I agree that QTo is not good pre. Folding is better. If we want to play it I would go with 3bet.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

3b is a bit loose but if we have info on villain...


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Yes it would be loose and I wouldn't do it. But IF we wanted to play this hand it should be 3bet instead of call imo. But you are absolutely right, I would not recommend it.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Heh . I like to be right... :)
The main thing from this hand is not to discount flushed so easily.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

And to bet bigger when we have it...


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