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A2s - defend pré - flushdraw on flop

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schelleXL
Joined: 05.05.2011

Hello,

I had a couple of draw hands

pré : defend vs FT3B +65% player
flop : cbet with nutflush
turn : board pairs which is not good for our hand because of reverse implied odds : should we c/c here or already c/f and move on ?

​​BTN: $4.67 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
Hero (SB): $10.00
BB: $10.15 (VPIP: 11.14, PFR: 9.41, 3Bet Preflop: 5.33, Hands: 410)
UTG: $10.00 (VPIP: 9.87, PFR: 6.37, 3Bet Preflop: 4.65, Hands: 314)
UTG+1: $8.47 (VPIP: 21.98, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 5.63, Hands: 236)
MP: $10.25 (VPIP: 15.51, PFR: 10.91, 3Bet Preflop: 3.49, Hands: 1,074)
CO: $11.24 (VPIP: 14.47, PFR: 12.34, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 239)

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 2♠ A♠

fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $0.25, fold, Hero raises to $0.80, fold, CO calls $0.55

Flop: ($1.70, 2 players) 8♠ T♠ 4♥
Hero bets $0.90, CO calls $0.90

Turn: ($3.50, 2 players) 4♦
Hero bets $1.90, CO calls $1.90

River: ($7.30, 2 players) 5♥
Hero checks, CO checks

Spoiler

Hero shows 2♠ A♠ (One Pair, Fours)
(Pre 33%, Flop 46%, Turn 23%)
CO shows Q♦ Q♥ (Two Pair, Queens and Fours)
(Pre 68%, Flop 54%, Turn 77%)
CO wins $6.97


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

You have 239 hands on villain. He seems pretty tight. What is the purpose of 3 betting and what are his FoldTo3b and FoldToCbet stats?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

That 3bet is too wide imo. Don't like it.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Even if we are defending only with 3bet or fold our SB, it is wide...


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marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014

Fold pre.

If this was bb vs BTN or BTN vs co then the 3bet would be ok.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

Without looking: if you observed he folds much to 3Bet, I would have done the same. OTF is a C-bet since you are drawing and you have still FE. OTT I would give up since his range now consists mainly out of high pp and perhaps even a set to lure you in.

Now I will look to results: Yup, give up OTT.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

If course, of we had info that he folds much then we can 3b this. That is why I asked about the stats.


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Hesticus
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Hesticus
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marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014

Originally posted by nitrol
If course, of we had info that he folds much then we can 3b this. That is why I asked about the stats.

Originally posted by schelleXL
Hello,

I had a couple of draw hands

pré : defend vs FT3B +65% player

I think that the op already gave that information. fold to 3 bet(FT3B) 65%?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I do not understand what Hero wrote, so wanted him to tell.
Plus I want to see villain's FoldToCbet stat too...


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

Haha I didn't see that as well in any case :f_biggrin: Thanks :) Anyway, advice stays the same, as long as Hero observed that villain folds much to 3Bet I would have done the same. 65%+ should do the trick


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srna10
Joined: 17.12.2010

I use A2s as 3bet bluff so I like it preflop.

OTF hero hit NFD so it's ok to cbet and OTT I prefer x/f line. Villain is most likely to call w overpairs on this kind of board so we don't have clear outs for flush, as OP said fo reveres implied odds. If 4♦: didn't come OTT, I would second barrel.
So imo x/f would be better OTT.


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schelleXL
Joined: 05.05.2011

Yeah, should have been more clear on the FT3B stats

as soon as they have more then 65-70 % I start 3betting pretty wide.

My 3bet stats are too low : max 5% and I want to increase them by doing these plays + there are +EV if they fold that much.

On the flop I play fit/fold when they do call the 3bet.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

It is absolutely normal to 3b wide when villain is folding much.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

Yes, but preferably with a focus on junk-hands


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

No no. Preferably with blockers.


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Hesticus
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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

A2s is perfect for that.


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