NL16 oesd+fd facing 2 potbets

Just push it OTF. You have 15 outs...

I don't mind calling the flop. But folding the turn is absolutely fine. There's still another guy in the pot and we are not drawing to the nuts (he could draw to a better flush).

Pushing the flop though should be the best play, we are of course isolating ourselves vs. sets and twopairs, but our outs + all the dead money + we push better draws out of the pot make this play +EV

We cannot fold the turn. We draw to the nut straight.

Originally posted by nitrol
We cannot fold the turn. We draw to the nut straight.

These are 6 clean outs and no implieds on half of them

6 clean outs and 2 players in the pot...

I would raise the flop, the reasoning behind this, I don't mind getting them to fold otf, and there is alot of good turn cards that we can barrel. and + we take over the initiative in the hand.

Sure, but you can't assume that the player behind is always calling the turn. And our 6 clean outs are clean, but that's 12% equity we have and no implieds if a 4 hits the river

That is why I prefer raising the flop.

We have 8 clean outs btw (9h,4h also), but against a flush draw maybe more. And i dont think when he misses the flush otr he would go AI with his remaining stack. There is almost no fold equity then for him.

I would raise on the flop. As played I think calling turn is fine. We need 33%. I didn't put villain to a range or do any calculations but I guess we have that much. If we hit 4 OTR I think we still have some implied odds. Both villains are fish and they might be tempted to call with sets and overpairs sometimes and any 2x and 7x will call.

And we have a chance to hit straight flush, who would skip that

Yeah, I missed the royal flush outs...

easy Fold on the turn as played;) not enough real EQ, cos of the lack of IO. You can fold Pre flop to.

Originally posted by vengeance77
easy Fold on the turn as played;) not enough real EQ, cos of the lack of IO. You can fold Pre flop to.

Standard call preflop. OTT we need 33% and if villain has overpairs,sets, nut flush draws with overs (QQ+,TT,66-55,33,AhKh,AhQh,AhJh) we have 45% against 2 villains and 50% against one. Why there is not enough real EQ? On what range do you put villain on?

Far from "easy fold" with monster draw here imo.

I would raise otf.

I'd raise flop too. (But pushing flop is too primitive.)

Turn (as played) is really marginal, but with any prior knowledge of SB (and/or BB) being such huge fish (spoiler), the call seems reasonable.