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turn bet for value vs check to induce river bet

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chriian12
Joined: 17.10.2010

In multiway pot facing a small donk bet with the nut flush draw, is it better to raise the small flop bet and limit opponents / take the pot now, or call and hope to keep a few players along in case I hit my draw?
Having raised a tiny flop bet, is it better to bet for value on the turn after hitting the flush rather than checking to induce river bet?
As played I opted for the big river bet to give the appearance of a bluff, but I'm not sure what the best turn play was here. Keep in mind I had no info on my opponent.

PokerStars - $3.11+$0.39|10/20 Ante 3 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 74.85 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BTN: 74.35 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 7.89, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 39)
SB: 78.7 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BB: 74.85 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
UTG: 74.85 BB (VPIP: 21.09, PFR: 16.08, 3Bet Preflop: 7.55, Hands: 149)
UTG+1: 74.85 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: 72.85 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
Hero (MP+1): 74.85 BB
MP+2: 74.85 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)

9 players post ante of 0.15 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.85 BB) Hero has K♦ A♦

fold, fold, MP raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 1.5 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (9.35 BB, 4 players) J♦ Q♦ 8♥
SB checks, BB checks, MP bets 1 BB, Hero raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 6 BB

Turn: (23.35 BB, 2 players) 4♦
MP checks, Hero checks

River: (23.35 BB, 2 players) 3♥
MP checks, Hero bets 23.35 BB, MP calls 23.35 BB

Spoiler

Hero shows K♦ A♦ (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 46%, Flop 55%, Turn 100%)
MP mucks T♦ T♣ (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 54%, Flop 45%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 70.05 BB


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

AKs would be a nice hand to 3bet here. Even in a 9 mans STT I would do that against a unknown that’s min raising here.

As played I like the raise on the flop as semi bluff and I would most likely continue betting on the turn. I expect you get still enough value against him and then you can shove most rivers for value as well.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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TomClassy
Joined: 06.05.2015

I agree with SDK1987.
3betting pre is better for two reasons: you don't really want a multiway pot OOP with a drawing hand so you need to make harder give bad pot odds for limpers and second - you are likely to get more value from a weaker Ax and Kx or other weaker hands if they don't hit the flop or hit A or K same as you then you would otherwise.
OTF - I like your raise coz you have plenty of outs and you can get value if you cbet ott if you hit or a free card if you don't
I think I would bet OTT coz there is not much to come for him on the river and if you presume that he could call you with weaker hands OTR why would not he do this OTT. Thus you stay short of some value if you don't bet OTT.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I would also 3bet this pre. The flop raise is good and I would continue betting OTT.


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