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Should I fold 2nd nuts? [Qh 9h]

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Zuzak0103
Joined: 14.06.2012

Hello pokerfriends,
I would like to know if you have any thoughts about that hand.

UTG ($2.76)
Hero (UTG+1) ($3.95)
MP1 ($3.21)
MP2 ($4.18)
CO ($1.91)
Button ($2)
SB ($2.21)
BB ($0.71)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q♥, 9♥
UTG calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, MP1 raises to $0.10, MP2 calls $0.10, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.43) 10:heart:, 6♦, J♣ (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks

Turn: ($0.43) K♦ (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.30, MP1 raises to $0.68, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.68, Hero calls $0.38

River: ($2.47) 2♠ (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.97, MP1 raises to $2.43 (All-In), UTG calls $1.98 (All-In), Hero calls $1.46

Total pot: $9.31 | Rake: $0.58

Spoiler

UTG had K♠, 6♥ (two pair, Kings and sixes).
Hero had Q♥, 9♥ (straight, King high).
MP1 had Q♠, A♠ (straight, Ace high).
Outcome: MP1 won $8.73

So my thought for this hand:
Preflop: fold is possible, but I thought it's quite a nice hand, so I limped aswell. After the raise and 2 callers I got a nice price to see the flop, so I called.

Flop: Got an OESD, normally I would bet around 50% of the pot. Ingame I'm not sure, why I didn't lead here. I would be fine if everyone would fold. My only explanation is, that I didn't want to play a really big pot, so I didn't want to bet into 4 people. My solution is to check to get a free card and it worked.

Turn: I hit my straight, there is also a flushdraw, so I bet around 75% of the pot. I was pretty confident holding the best hand here. I got raised and called, so I thought the raiser might have some kind of flushdraw and wants to get the pot right here. I just called, if the rivercard would be a diamond I would maybe find the fold button. I still didn't want to commit too much into that pot.

River: I was very glad there was a blank (no diamond). So I tried to get some value here and bet quite small. Maybe I get some call from AK, a set or something.
I was really surprised after I got raised, and after UTG check->called, I thought: "what??? wait, what hands could they have?" Now I noticed AQ is a hand which is beating me and it's possible that one of those players is holding it. The pot is already soo huge, and I was also trying to find hands which I beat and which could make sense. Because I was holding a Queen, I thought, that AQ is a bit less likely. They could have two pair, maybe some sets. The all in push might also possilby have a busted flushdraw, but this is also not very likely.
I had a really bad feeling, but the potodds were really good, so I couldn't find the fold button and called.

I would really appreciate some comments on the hand or my thoughts. I hope my english is find to understand, I tried my best :)
Thanks for helping me.
Zuzak0103


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Pre flop you should isoraise. That limp is not good.
On the flop you hit OESD and you should lead here. You have a lot of fold equity and you don't want to play multiway.
I guess turn is ok. But the board is drawy and that K might have hit someone. I think you could pot this or maybe even overbet and weaker hands will still call.
OTR I think it is a call. It is a bit scary because raised you OTT and now he is raising OTR which is clearly for value but since UTG called too you get a ridiculous price. Both could be easily holding sets, 2 pair type of hands.

Do you have any stats/reads on those guys?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Preflop just fold and save yourself all this trouble...
I do not mind playing mw with this hand because this adds implieds.
I do not understand why do we bet the river when villain raised us on turn?.......


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Zuzak0103
Joined: 14.06.2012

Thank you.
No stats, I play without tracker, and I had no notes on those players.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

No problem :) Happy to help :f_drink:


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by Zuzak0103
Thank you.
No stats, I play without tracker, and I had no notes on those players.

You are welcome.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Everything else aside: You should never call the river raise versus even remotely competent opposition. When overcalling, pot odds aren't nearly as good as they seem. Chances that both are kidding with their entire stacks are much smaller than HU. Chances aren't "cut in half", they are severely diminished. This is more of a general observation than a guesswork pertaining to this particular hand, so I don't blame you for calling.


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Zuzak0103
Joined: 14.06.2012

Originally posted by nitrol
Preflop just fold and save yourself all this trouble...
I do not mind playing mw with this hand because this adds implieds.
I do not understand why do we bet the river when villain raised us on turn?.......

I think you are right. Folding should be my line here and I should focus on playing my stronger hands correctly. I can add those hands and situations, when my gameplay is more solid.

About the riverbet. I mentioned, that I thought I have the best hand. So I bet to get some more value. I didn't thought about AQ until the river all-in + call. I thought the turnraise would be some kind of draw (most likely flushdraw).


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by Zuzak0103

About the riverbet. I mentioned, that I thought I have the best hand. So I bet to get some more value. I didn't thought about AQ until the river all-in + call. I thought the turnraise would be some kind of draw (most likely flushdraw).

You should pay more careful attention to the game and to villain's lines. When he raises turn you should respect that.


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