SH A2s, Nut FD Multi-way.

You should play according to odds.

Originally posted by nitrol
You should play according to odds.

The pot odds I have on the flop are 27%. Even against sets only I have 25,5% of equity. With implied odds it should be a call. The turn pot odds are 39% and the equity against flopped sets only is 18%, so I should fold.

The problem is that I can't be sure if he has sets only.

What about 3betting the flop?

should we x/b otf vs a 40/0 guy (no fe)? as played, call otf fold turn if not improved?

I prefer betting OTF and I would call villains raise. Turn is close between folding or calling.

Alleen:
You didn't calculate turn pot odds correctly. With 39% pot odds villain would have bet over pot size. I got around 28%.
If we put villain on a set it is a fold imo. If we put him on a looser range:

MP2 26.83% 26.83% 0.00% Ad2d
MP3 73.17% 73.17% 0.00% JJ, 99, 55, AJs, T9s, QdTd, AJo, T9o

It is closer. Since we cannot know his exact range and we cannot know if he will call enough OTR when we hit I prefer folding OTT but calling shouldn't be terribly wrong.

Originally posted by Alleen86
What about 3betting the flop?

We are mw and it is not ok to do that.

Originally posted by Tinsley15
should we x/b otf vs a 40/0 guy (no fe)? as played, call otf fold turn if not improved?

That loose guy will have a wide range OTF. Our A high might be good at the moment. He might call a lot with weaker flush draws. We have a lot of equity and we might get a lot of value against a calling station when we hit. I prefer betting here. And we have only 5 hands + villain seems passive postflop. He might very well be playing fit or fold postflop and in that case our cbet has huge fold equity.

Originally posted by Tinsley15
should we x/b otf vs a 40/0 guy (no fe)? as played, call otf fold turn if not improved?

We should put pressure vs the loose guy. Flush will be obvious and we may not get paid if we hit.

Originally posted by la55i
Alleen:
You didn't calculate turn pot odds correctly. With 39% pot odds villain would have bet over pot size. I got around 28%.

True, it's 28%. My bad.

Originally posted by Alleen86

Originally posted by la55i
Alleen:
You didn't calculate turn pot odds correctly. With 39% pot odds villain would have bet over pot size. I got around 28%.

True, it's 28%. My bad.

That happens. To me quite often ♦

Reason for cbet sizing?

Originally posted by Alleen86

Originally posted by la55i
Alleen:
You didn't calculate turn pot odds correctly. With 39% pot odds villain would have bet over pot size. I got around 28%.

True, it's 28%. My bad.
Lol.

Originally posted by marsa08
Reason for cbet sizing?

I think that accomplishes our goals. No matter if it is 1/2 or 2/3. Trash will fold and those hands that are calling will call. Our hand doesn't need protection and we just want to charge weaker draws and increase the pot a bit to get it all in if we hit.

It is a mw pot and we do not want to bet big cause when we do not hit on turn , the pot would be enormous.
1/2 psb does it well.

Originally posted by marsa08
Reason for cbet sizing?

I tend to cbet smaller in multi-way pots + I set myself better pot odds to call in case of facing a raise.

So you are cbetting 1/2 pot here too with sets and overpairs etc...?

If we had something like AJ with no diamonds or JJ it would be important to bet bigger to protect our hand but in this case it is not necessary.

Yeah I just don't like that. Easy bet sizing tell.

Originally posted by marsa08
So you are cbetting 1/2 pot here too with sets and overpairs etc...?

Theoretically, we should cbet semi-bluffs and monsters with the same sizing. Exploitativelly, since BTN is probably a recreational player, I don't mind to cbet smaller as a semi-bluff and larger for value (+ protection). I'm not affraid of being exploited by opponents there, especially in multi-way pots.

In other words, I would cbet sets and overpairs bigger in this particular situation.

Originally posted by marsa08
Yeah I just don't like that. Easy bet sizing tell.

I agree it's an easy bet sizing tell, but we should ask yourself will they really notice that? For example, in asimoses videos here, he explicitelly advises to bet larger for value and smaller as a bluff on theese limits.