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It would be nice to have a list of players and their stack sizes and your own thought process.

Imo this hand looks well played. Sometimes you can 4bet pre but I think vs unknown it is ok to call.
Flop and turn look standard calls with overpair and OTR when villain shoves he probably has us beat so fold.

ty, my thoughts are that i need a solid break
i didnt even realized its a marginal hand

I like it as played. You lose to AA, KK, Tx and 6x (if any) but you cannot fold your overpair on flop or turn.

What do you guys think that his range on the turn is.
I gave him TT+ and AK,AQ,AJ,A5,A4,A3,A2,KQ,K4,K3,K2 of spades. So the turn call seems close to me.

Its not possible to say if you do not give your starting stack size? Lets assume you had 100bb.

In that case, I do not agree with the river fold decision, although it very much depends on the opponent type and his combo counting ability, plus on the game dynamic. But for learning lets analyse the hand in depth.

Before putting your opponent on a range, lets see what your range is from opponent's perspective? you might have suited Tx, 66+ in your turn calling range. which is 49 combos.

on the river by going allin, your opponent needs you to fold around 42% times. So if he 3rd barrels you on the river its a clear success for him if you fold JJ.

To understand this more clearly, lets define his range now. He would cbet almost 80%-100% of his range on the TT6 flop, may be we can exclude some of the trips/fullhouses/airs. On turn 6s he would cbet for 33% FEq as he bettet haf pot. Now you will fold your some AKs,AQs those called preflop & flop for showdown value+BDFD, you will fold your lower PP 22-55 if any, 78s,89s if you floated for gutshot+BDFD on flop, and some of the combos from 77-JJ. Hence for him to be able to bet 50% pot on the turn, he had enough FEq if your own player image for flop calling range in 3bet pots is not too tight.

And on the river if you fold JJ,99,88,77 from your 49 combos he would get the required fold equity. Therefore JJ should be within your calling range on river, thus your calling range remains balanced.

Moreover you need to win the pot only around 28% times, not always.

I disagree with you guys.. Villain can have some bluff 3bets but he is not betting flop and turn with those. When we call flop and turn in 3bet pot our range is quite strong too and it would take some balls from villain to bluff us. I just don't expect him to 3 barrel shove in 3bet pot as a bluff when we just keep on calling. It would be a suicide from villain. Villain has so many better hands in his range.

I kind of disagree with your ranges. And we have to win this pot about 35% of the times, not 28%.

Originally posted by la55i
I kind of disagree with your ranges. And we have to win this pot about 35% of the times, not 28%.

Thanks for your reply. I told 28% because I assumed hero had 100bb starting stack. In that case hero needs to call on the river only remaining 57bb. Is not it?
And It would be nice, if you could help me define the flop turn range for hero and the opponent.

You are right about that if hero was 100bb he would have to call less.. I didn't notice that, my mistake

I think villains range OTF is very wide, OTT he should slow down with his bluffs but when he bets again I would say he has at least some sort of hand or strong draw. Those are not that interesting since we know that villain is wide and we are going to call with our overpair anyway. What is interesting is villains range OTR. What would he shove on this board?

We have shown villain that our range is quite strong too because we called his 3bet and called flop and turn. So I don't see villain bluffing here with weaker hands. It would be suicide for him to shove with something like 88.

OTT villain can have some flush draws that got there OTR. He can definitely have Tx and sometimes 6x. It would be weird if villain shoved on this board with KK+, but that is possible, those hands beat us too. I don't see many Qx playing like this but still we are beat by those. I just don't see a single hand that we beat in villains range.

Originally posted by henkhenkenst
What do you guys think that his range on the turn is.
I gave him TT+ and AK,AQ,AJ,A5,A4,A3,A2,KQ,K4,K3,K2 of spades. So the turn call seems close to me.

It is close, but still AK can double barrel vs you. So we have 2 streets and we call 2 streets.

Originally posted by la55i
I disagree with you guys.. Villain can have some bluff 3bets but he is not betting flop and turn with those. When we call flop and turn in 3bet pot our range is quite strong too and it would take some balls from villain to bluff us. I just don't expect him to 3 barrel shove in 3bet pot as a bluff when we just keep on calling. It would be a suicide from villain. Villain has so many better hands in his range.

I kind of disagree with your ranges. And we have to win this pot about 35% of the times, not 28%.

we cannot fold on this runout. I already gave you exampke of AK barreling us off.

Wait a minute.. Are you saying you will call villains river shove because AK (only a few combos) can barrel us? What if it is AsKs? And I don't really see AK barreling us here.

How did you get to become Moderator if you are not reading well....

We should call 2 streets - flop and turn... River is a fold.

4bet preflop or fold river as played.

Originally posted by nitrol
How did you get to become Moderator if you are not reading well....

We should call 2 streets - flop and turn... River is a fold.

I was talking about villains range on the river. I don't see him betting flop and turn as a bluff very often and OTR when he 3barrels we are behind. I said I don't expect him to 3barrel bluff in 3bet pots when we keep on calling (flop and turn). And you answer that we cannot fold on this runout. With "runout" you clearly mean the whole board, not just turn.

So I'm not sure if it is me or you who is not reading well.

With runout and talking about us having 2 streets of value it is clear I talk about flop and turn.
You should read well.