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9 max SnG 0.5$ potsize bets from passives

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TomClassy
Joined: 06.05.2015

These are two similar examples of passive players playing aggro on a droadway (semi) dry + 1 low card board. I had similar before but have not had the question arisen.

PokerStars - $0.44+$0.06|50/100 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 23.65 BB (VPIP: 41.67, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
UTG: 13.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 44)
UTG+1: 12.75 BB (VPIP: 13.73, PFR: 1.96, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 51)
MP: 17.2 BB (VPIP: 8.70, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
MP+1: 18.2 BB (VPIP: 22.86, PFR: 22.86, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 35)
Hero (CO): 16.55 BB
BTN: 24.07 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
SB: 9.08 BB (VPIP: 13.64, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 44)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♠ J♦

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, BTN calls 2 BB, fold, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 3 players) A♦ K♦ 4♥
BB bets 6.5 BB, Hero raises to 14.55 BB and is all-in, fold, BB calls 8.05 BB

Turn: (35.6 BB, 2 players) 8♣

River: (35.6 BB, 2 players) 9♠

PokerStars - $0.44+$0.06|10/20 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 75 BB
SB: 75 BB
BB: 75 BB
UTG: 75 BB
UTG+1: 75 BB
MP: 75 BB
MP+1: 75 BB
Hero (MP+2): 75 BB
CO: 75 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♥ Q♣

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, BTN calls 5 BB, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls 4 BB

Flop: (16.5 BB, 3 players) 4♣ Q♠ A♣
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 8.5 BB, fold, UTG+1 raises to 29 BB, Hero calls 20.5 BB

Turn: (74.5 BB, 2 players) 3♥
UTG+1 bets 41 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 41 BB and is all-in

River: (156.5 BB, 2 players) 7♦

You know that poker is about patterns: you see some algorythm and it's same result repeatedly and it engrains into your mind as the law.
My question is it the law that passives mostly play this way when holding a set and it is allowable to fold Ax and 2 pair hands.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

The first hand is the most tricky 1 I think, because he’s committing himself with his bet against you and he’s betting against 2 players. So I expect he would only bet this with a better hand like this, but on these stakes you can off course expect anything and I would most likely made a tight fold here with top pair.

The second hand you have most likely no fold equity if you shove the flop as well, but now it’s the only logic hand you are beat against is 44 and he can have a weaker hand or flush draw as well. So I would go for it on the flop.

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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

The first hand with 16BB I would just shove pre
I would rule out AA, KK and FD as they wont donk for pot, so that leaves A2+, 44 and you are 63% against that, but if hes passive will he donk pot with all his aces?

The second one with his OL/C then c/r does look more like 44, but if I was playing that hand I'm never folding and would shove OTF, he could also have A4s


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I would normal not shove 16bb without antes in play, but it’s +ev to this.


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

Originally posted by SDK1987
I would normal not shove 16bb without antes in play, but it’s +ev to this.

How come there arent antes? They start at level 1 on PS
I understand why people don't want to shove 16BB with no antes, but I was watching a coaching with a SnG pro whos name I cant remember and he was doing way more shoving than min raises at these sort of stack sizes, as he said do you want to win 3BB 90% of the time or raise 2BB and play post flop against almost ATC?


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Only at the 9 man 50c stakes they have the old SNG blind structure, but not sure why they don’t changed that. Of course it’s always tricky to play post-flop against fishy opponents, but I expect it’s more +ev than shoving right away.


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TomClassy
Joined: 06.05.2015

You think shoving right away OTF is better than calling coz of possible FD in the opp's range? (second hand)


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

That’s right. He could stack off a draw I think and you want to protect your hand against that as well.


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