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10€; 3bet pot OOP with Kings

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InezMuchez
Joined: 10.11.2011

Hero (SB): 28,625 (143.1 bb)
BB: 17,399 (87 bb)
UTG+2: 5,801 (29 bb)
MP1: 18,600 (93 bb)
MP2: 12,351 (61.8 bb)
MP3: 13,950 (69.8 bb)
CO: 15,750 (78.8 bb)
BTN: 37,524 (187.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K♦: K♥:
UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls 200, MP2 raises to 600, 3 folds, Hero raises to 1,820, 2 folds, MP2 calls 1,220

Flop: (4,040) 4♥: T♣: 7♥: (2 players)
Hero bets 2,000, MP2 calls 2,000

Turn: (8,040) 8♦: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

River: (8,040) T♥: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets 8,531 and is all-in, Hero calls 8,531

Hi everyone!

Can you help me out with this one?

I checked my opponent and he's a big winner.

What do you think about my line? I think its weird, ingame I thought about checking to induce, because he may push his draws.

Although the river brings in the flush, I assume he would his FDs on the turn, so he shouldn't have that much flushes, but thats just my assumption.

I thought that making a second barrel would be super strong and it would be obvious i have an overpair.

On the river, do you think I can bet for value?
If he's catching with single pairs (99,JJ-QQ), and also calls with flushes and sets, we are behind. So should i let him make a stab at it the way i played it, checking the turn?


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

First of all I had spotted that you had posted a hand twice.
The old thread you can find here: https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?postid=2446291#post2446291
The new one is removed.

If I see this hand I would go for a bigger bet on the flop. If you bet like 2,5k you can put him all-inn on the turn. This way you can protect your hand better I think.

If I had a flush draw on the turn I would check here as well, because I would take the free card and it’s difficult to get you of a good hand with betting I think and he will be committed as well if you would shove on him. On the river his positional draw comes and he could have a FH or T as well. So I don’t think he would bluff enough to make a call profitable here.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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InezMuchez
Joined: 10.11.2011

Hello SDK1987!

Sorry for not responding earlier to thank you for correcting my post, and thank you for removing the duplicate as well.

He ended up turning his hand into a bluff, so i got away with this time :) Thank you for your analysis. :f_drink:


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lila28
Joined: 31.05.2013

Very interesting hand.
i don't we can do anything else preflop.

It very easy to decide something is standard.
Standard line here would be bet flop (little bigger then 2k) with intention shove turn most cases and i would take this line most of times.

However when we check vs good player on flop we are definitely capping our range in his eyes because we would defend our hand here if we would have big pair/good draw, so if he is thinking and aggressive player he might try steal this pot with huge % of his hand after we weakly check and then we make move going all-in (Note: Still looking weak, having draw or 1pair+weak draw ect. when we take this line) and hand end of flop possibly getting in vs pretty weak range from opponent.

Going on turn as played vs weaker player we probably should try get value by betting some.
It gets tricky when we are vs good winning player. Very interesting situation and probably have to think about our range in total some more to analyze it.
I just want note that we would take this line also with hands like QhJh, or Ah5h, maybe some pure bluffs/1weak pair+draw so we have some hands we are shoving and hoping to get folds if we are not playing 1-3% (high pair/high Ace) 3bet strategy preflop and put some bluffs in (if you think he is good winner there is no enough reason to not bluff 3bet him here when he just isolate fish being likely still wide). So idea is that we can have bluff in but how likely opponent will think we have them based on our stats/population on 10e game ranges is another question.
On turn Important point for me here is we cannot argue both sides -
1) We think player will call small % his range only because we rep strong here in his eyes, counter strategy - shove no showdown draw hands, maybe even pure bluffs if enough fold equity.
2)We think player will call huge % his range because there is lot missed draws and he think we are super aggro by now, counter strategy - shove hand like KK to get value from all his 1 pair hands he call trying to exploit our aggro strategy.
Y fantasy side) Unlikely in micros-low mtt existing, balanced range where we cannot exploit much off player.
We cannon be on both sides, we can have balanced range with both bluff/value, or more bluff/value heavy range if opponent have exploitable calling range there (very likely).
I don't think this can be situation where checking 100% our range can be good so we should have some betting range how it looks is dependable from lot factors. It probably should be exploitable in some way betting strategy in theses games.
96 and j9 completed but it unlikely any of players involved have theses hands that often, so i don't think turn changes that much as we might think at first.

I cannot get into what i think is best here because i would do different plays based on stats in game. So cannot say what would be best here without more info. Also i don't think you want answer to one spot what will never come up again when studying but thinking process to use and simulate in similar situation.

Anyway going to river. Th is not great card of us. As played cannot see betting KK here.
I can see thinking about calling off river: he would bet turn or raise flop with flush draw/Tx so there is no much of theses hands in his range by river.
But i can also see just default thinking that people in micro-low stakes betting river bad runouts is hugely nutted and we cannot exploit it, so we just call really good hands.

Again i cannot say exactly what i would do here without in game reads.

Pretty long post so anyone feel free let me know if you think i messed up logic somewhere or just talking bs somewhere.


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InezMuchez
Joined: 10.11.2011

Dear lila28!

I was also thinking that i gotta have bluffs preflop as well. I may 3bet something like QQ+, AK for value, and bluff hands like AJo, ATo, AJs, ATs, A9s.

I wasn't thinking ingame that I can also bet turn with some of my bluffs. If I had that in mind, I may have shoved here also.

Though the river is nasty and completes some of his hands, I was also thinking he may use it to bluff me off. Also, I'm getting familiar with the concept of turning made hands into bluffs, I didn't consider it back then.

Thank you for your help.


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