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JJ overpair 3way vs nits - donk or x/c ?

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SPeedFANat1c
Joined: 04.01.2009

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 141.4 BB
Hero (SB): 101.4 BB
BB: 228.8 BB
UTG: 190 BB
MP: 117.8 BB
CO: 169.4 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J♦ J♣

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.6 BB, fold

Flop: (10 BB, 3 players) T♠ 6♦ 2♣
Hero bets 7.2 BB, UTG raises to 19.4 BB, fold, fold

UTG wins 23.4 BB

UTG: 18/13 45h, afq 56
CO: 17/15 109 h

I usually x/c here, but I decided that since CO is nit and his range is strong, UTG might bluff much and I might give free cards. So decided to donk.

Also when I donk, I make fold some overcards which is good, esp 3way, the probability of overcards increase

Plus now his raise is weird, looks like I should bluffcatch. But again in NL5 players do weird moves , he is nit and its 3way. So I folded.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

How about squeeze pre flop?
Postflop looks ok. Leading is good and when a nit raises multiway on a dry board + one opponent behind him I think it is best to fold.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I like to squeeze here.
Postflop is ok.


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SPeedFANat1c
Joined: 04.01.2009

Originally posted by la55i
How about squeeze pre flop?
Postflop looks ok. Leading is good and when a nit raises multiway on a dry board + one opponent behind him I think it is best to fold.

was thinking about squeeze. But vs UTG it looks insane strong. I am not sure. I have just few bluffs in my 3bet/squeze chart: JTs-87s. So I will get lot of folds I think. If I will get 4bet, I am fucked I guess. They almost never 4bet bluff vs those positions.

One good thing is that I will fold some Ax, Kx, Qx with this.

Btw any idea about what I should bluff there? If I just donk those strong hands, then they exploit me easily. I myself when face a donk bet, usually think its a set often or now would think - at least overpair.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

When you squeeze your goal is to make at least UTG fold but preferably both of them.
Your sqz range from this position sounds reasonable, maybe you could add KQs there.
JJ can be an overcall here, it actually is in my own chart too.. But still squeezing wouldn't be bad I guess :)


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

UTG is not the aim of your squeeze. You want him to fold and you to play vs the wider CO calling range.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

JJ seems a good hand to just call. Its strong, and at the same time dont have blockers to use as a squeeze.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

With the call we are mine? I do not like playing mw with JJ. Axx, Kxx, Qxx boards and we do not know where we are.
It is too 3% hand, we have FE and we can squeeze.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

JJ is not in my standard sqz range from these positions but I think both sqz and call are fine. If we call it is profitable set mine, if there are no overs we can start betting and if there is an overcard I think we can still call one street and see how it goes.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I prefer having initiative when oop. Plus you can barrel on almost every flop.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Preflop it is a raise for value (only 3 better hands possible), and to thin the field (we probably have to give up on any overcard vs 2 players, but we can barrel on most flops versus 1).

Put it this way: If you don't squeeze this, then you should pretty much never ever "bluff squeeze" with shit-hands like A9s. You'd be totally exploitable because people can put you on a shit-hand once the squeeze comes.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

How about this:
QQ+,AKs,KQs,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,AKo

that is kinda balanced sqz range from these positions.. Of course you can add JJ there and it will still be fine, a bit value heavy but that is totally ok. If we squeeze and get a call there is 3 overcards that we really hate to see and JJ is not that difficult hand to play so I think it could work as a call also.
This might be tight sqz range but we are oop and open raiser is UTG. I don't think that if we don't sqz JJ for value we can't have any bluffs.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Looks okay to me. It should be value heavy when UTG is involved, and in this case, hands like 8♣:7♣: probably play better than A♣:T♣: type of hands (are easier to get away from). Sure, A♣:T♣: has a blocker, but that doesn't help much for an undisciplined player when called and an A flops.


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