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[SH] JJ on CO strange 4bet pot

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IPoker, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.21 (110.5 bb)
BB: $2.14 (107 bb)
UTG: $0.97 (48.5 bb)
MP: $0.96 (48 bb)
Hero (CO): $2.03 (101.5 bb)
BTN: $2.28 (114 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J♠: J♥:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BTN raises to $0.10, SB folds, BB raises to $0.32, Hero calls $0.26, BTN folds

Flop: ($0.75) T♠: Q♥: 4♦: (2 players)
BB bets $0.48, Hero calls $0.48

Turn: ($1.71) A♣: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($1.71) 4♣: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.23, BB folds

Results: $1.71 pot ($0.11 rake)
Final Board: T♠: Q♥: 4♦: A♣: 4♣:
BB mucked and lost (-$0.80 net)
Hero mucked J♠: J♥: and won $1.60 ($0.80 net)

So. Preflop is strange here for me. We've got JJ on CO, so it's easy open. Then we have a min 3bet from a total fish on the BTN (78/43 after ~100hands, 42% 3bet, and that's only statistics, he was weak as hell ), and then we have 4bet from a tight guy (20/12 after ~100 hands, 100% 3bet call, 57% fold to steal on BB). And here I call hoping for the fish will stay in the hand too. I thought if i got a set otf I get probably their stacks quite easily. Unfortunately the fish is out and here we go.
Flop comes TQ4 rainbow, and we got cbet. The problem here is I cannot really see his range here. He 4betted min 3bet from BTN on the BB, and he must have known that btn is a fish, so I think he could have here like TT+, KQ+, AJs+, AQo+ to do something like this but I'm not quiet sure. And then he cbets. And here I think I made a mistake calling this bet. I didn't have a hand really, now I see this and I wondered why I called this. But I did. Or maybe it was right?
Turn comes an A. He checks, what really surprised me. He could hava had KJ in this moment, maybe set of aces from monsters which could played like that. But most probably I thought he has got no ace there. AJ+ would bet here, sets would bet here hoping on action on this ace. The cards that he could have and were most likely to play like that were sth liek KQ, JJ and pockets that I don't really see here. I xb because even if he got only the queen he'd probably call and I don't want to build a big pot here.
River comes another 4. Daaamn, he checks again! Here I realised he'd fold to my bet easily, he probably have like KQ/KK and is so scared of ace on the board he'll fold them. So I turned my hand into a bluff, go AI, which is like 70% of the pot here and he folds.

The reason I post this hand is I want to know if my post play analysis is ok, because I'd be surprised if you tell me that my call to cbet here was good hahah xD So, comment here :)


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Bet on the turn


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Pre I would call too since villain can be 4betting wide vs megafish.
OTF there is only 1 overcard so I would probably call here too. Ppl will cbet with hands that did not hit so often that we can call in this spot.
When he checks OTT I might go ahead and start betting but I guess this is ok too. When he checks river too it is likely that he is giving up but he might still be tempted to call with some Qx or weaker Ax because you checked that turn too. So when you have a chance to see a showdown, I would take it and check behind. Bluff shoving with a hand that has some showdown equity is not that good imo.


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SPeedFANat1c
Joined: 04.01.2009

Pre I would call too since villain can be 4betting wide vs megafish.

I think wihtout info that he actually cold 4bets light vs fish OOP, the call preflop is close.

When he checks OTT I might go ahead and start betting but I guess this is ok too.

I do not undertand why bet turn? Our hand is not vulnerable, we will not make most bet tter hands fold.

River I also think there is no value in betting.

And here I think I made a mistake calling this bet. I didn't have a hand really, now I see this and I wondered why I called this. But I did. Or maybe it was right?

I am also not sure without info about his cold 4bet range that we do ok on flop. He can easily have lot of Qx in his range, good draws and his sizing is more than 1/2.

River comes another 4. Daaamn, he checks again! Here I realised he'd fold to my bet easily, he probably have like KQ/KK and is so scared of ace on the board he'll fold them. So I turned my hand into a bluff, go AI, which is like 70% of the pot here and he folds.

I myself would not try to fold those hands, becauase I would not believe he is folding often. Maybe on the turn he hit AJ (if he has it in his preflop range) TP and so it makes sense for him to check turn and let you bluff. I just would not try to bluff a guy on last street when he cold 4bets preflop and cbets big :) but after this hand , we might assume that he is able to have not so good range :) this is a guessing game I think. So probably various options are not terrible.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

We can always set mine preflop.
POstflop we can float once and bet when villain checks.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

When villain checks OTT he is capped and we can exploit him by betting. He will fold a lot there. With our stack sizes we can shove turn.
Only hands villain could check call here are total nuts like AA and KJ, but we block KJ and he probably doesn't 4bet that.


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pisiattu
Joined: 01.04.2010

Also hero hasn t aa e kj, i checkdown or i bet turn+river for make fold kk kq, if you bet only one street he fold only hand that you beat imho


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Calling flop and checking back turn is not a good idea. Either fold flop or float and bet when he checks. What else do you float for? Catching a river bluff?


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