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marcepoker17
Joined: 21.06.2011

Poker Stars, $8.80 Buy-in (2,500/5,000 blinds, 600 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 278,091 (55.6 bb)
BB: 130,551 (26.1 bb)
UTG+1: 42,740 (8.5 bb)
UTG+2: 32,230 (6.4 bb)
MP1: 94,570 (18.9 bb)
MP2: 382,861 (76.6 bb)
MP3: 103,934 (20.8 bb)
CO: 32,664 (6.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): 255,556 (51.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with J♠: A♦:
3 folds, MP2 raises to 14,785, 2 folds, Hero calls 14,785, 2 folds

Flop: (42,470) A♥: 8♣: Q♦: (2 players)
MP2 bets 29,878, Hero calls 29,878

Turn: (102,226) 3♦: (2 players)
MP2 bets 95,000, Hero calls 95,000

River: (292,226) T♠: (2 players)
MP2 bets 242,598 and is all-in, Hero calls 115,293 and is all-in

Results:

Spoiler

522,812 pot
Final Board: A♥: 8♣: Q♦: 3♦: T♠:
MP2 showed J♥: K♣: and won 522,812 (267,256 net)
Hero showed J♠: A♦: and lost (-255,556 net)

Last 100 (270 itm), can't remember the position we were in but he was in first 10 and I was around 17/18th place.
I know the guy is loose aggr and doesn't get much about later stage tornament.
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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

On the turn he’s betting almost pot size and he is committing himself here against you and It would be insane if he’s doing this with a draw of weaker Ax hand. So I would fold here for sure, but if you have reads otherwise I would stack off here.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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marcepoker17
Joined: 21.06.2011

but if you have reads otherwise I would stack off here.

If I have reads why not to let him bet river? if hes bluffing turn I dont want him to fold to my reshove, right?


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I don’t think he will ever fold if you stack of the turn and you need to invest so much chips with calling that you can’t fold either on a bad river card.


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marcepoker17
Joined: 21.06.2011

U dont think he is gonna fold all his bluffs and semibluffs?
I think on the turn he would fold KJ, KT, TT, 99, 77, 66, 55, 44, 22. (maybe some QT, QJ, JT).
I think here his range are not only worse Ax(then I would get the push), but also total air and semibluffs. So I want him just to keep going on the river, if that is the right range he is drawing very thin anyways.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

He gets insane good odds if we shove on him with effective 115k stack behind and it would be pretty bad to bet that much with only a draw when he is committing himself against you.


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marcepoker17
Joined: 21.06.2011

Did u check the spoiler..?!
I mean if it wasn't that kind of player (the one that pot turn with air or semibluff) then we shouldnt be here talking about it.. It would be just a fold on the turn bc that size means 90% times he has a really strong hand.
But if we think that the player is just a donk aggr making big size to make u fold then I dont get the repush turn.
I agree its pretty bad to bet that big turn with a draw, but thats the point, him being pretty bad. If he wasn't that kind of player I should just fold turn.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Indeed and that’s why reads are important and against a good player the turn is indeed a clear fold and a fish would call with his draws most likely as well if we shove with not to many chips left.


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

When he bets big OTF & pots OTT I'm thinking there is no way we are ahead, he must have flopped 2 pair or a set, with your read of him being aggro then I guess several draws need to be added in there as well as well as some straight up bluffs.
Is he the kind of player that will bluff 3 streets or will he give up on river?


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samni
Joined: 06.08.2009

He looks like quite the spewfish in my opinion. Openraising way too big, betting 70% on a fairly dry flop where most villains (from his point of view) will play fit or fold. Then potting a fairly meaningless turn. I don't think we're dealing with a thinking player in this one.
That being said I'd call pre and flop but ship the turn. His play doesn't make much sense, we have TP2ndK and the board got a bit draw-heavier OTT. If he has a pair and a flushdraw or sth, he isn't going anywhere. Hell, I even see him calling KQo here. So I'd charge him for whatever he is worth on the turn.


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