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Call 3bet then bluff raise flop.

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Festfingre
Joined: 19.07.2011

Hail, i second guess myself calling this guys bluff.
What assumptions can we make about his range for calling 3bet?

I have these rough estimates from post session evaluation:
Villains steal range: 22+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J9s+,78s, A7o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo+,
Villains call 3bet range: JJ-22, A5s-A2s, JTs-KQs, KTs+

His weak turn bet signals weakness, but i second guess calling his flop raise being that i have both 44 and TT in his range.
I guess some raise the flop as semi-bluffs with draws too.

Stats are too low sample but seems regular.

Edit: Oh and please, any info on betsizing, turn-river play is very welcome

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $13.99 (139.9 bb)
BB: $7.37 (73.7 bb)
MP: $11.10 (111 bb)
CO: $10.30 (103 bb)
BTN: $10.95 (109.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q♠: A♠:
MP folds, CO raises to $0.24, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.70, BB folds, CO calls $0.46

Flop: ($1.50) T♦: 4♦: A♥: (2 players)
Hero bets $1.10, CO raises to $3.42, Hero calls $2.32

Turn: ($8.34) 6♣: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.71, Hero calls $2.71

River: ($13.76) 4♠: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3.47 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.47

Results: $20.70 pot ($0.93 rake)
Final Board: T♦: 4♦: A♥: 6♣: 4♠:
Hero showed Q♠: A♠: and won $19.77 ($9.47 net)
CO showed A♦: 2♦: and lost (-$10.30 net)


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Unfortunately he gives you no opportunity to fold making those mini bets.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I wouldn't fold vs that flop xr, he has a lot of draws here. He really doesn't give you a chance to fold when he bets so small. So you played this well.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

Would have played exactly the same here. Villain indeed doesn't give you any opportunity to fold this hand. He should have shoved. WP IMO


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

Since it is obvious that hero is not folding here I prefer pushing the turn and getting value from draws.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Can we fold OTF? If we can´t, why? I´ve recently seen a video (by lemon), which in he says to fold made hands (which top pair is) to 3 bet.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think folding to flop raise would be maybe too weak with our hand. Villain can have some kind of bluffing range here. As we see from the results villain can raise with hands that are weaker than ours.
I don't know what lemon has said but we can't fold all made hands since nuts are made hands too :) And this is not a 3bet, it is just a raise.
If we bluff raise ourselves OTF and villain 3bets he has almost always a set or better, there we can fold.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Umm, I do not like the flop call. We are the PFA, flop hits us and he raises ...


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

In guide of lemon he means by made hands top pairs, I think we misunderstood here, because top pair can´t never be nuts, there is always a threat of a set/two pairs, right? And I meant raise instead of 3 bet...didn´t yet learn to count bets :(


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tiltmonk
Joined: 02.07.2014

I guess there is not fold OTT and OTR, just bcs of the good odds. Yeah, he still could have AK, but most probably AK or AT will shove OTT on the WET board.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Some draws might raise the flop, but I doubt many players will semi-bluff in 3bet pots. Still, it's hard to fold when we hit strong as a preflop 3bettor. Maybe we could even shove if we assume he has draws. As played, turn and river are fine imo.


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