A common mwp turn spot with a draw

Of course you should call. You have where to improve.

You have the backdoor flushdraw in a 3way pot on a board where somebody is very likely to have or make something strong. A backdoor flush is usually pretty disguised. People will be aware when the flop flushdraw completes, but when you hit the backdoor flush people at 2NL are generally not going to put you on it. This means that you have a lot of implied odds and can extract a lot of money on the river a lot of the time if you hit. And since on this board people can have a lot of strong hands, it is very likely you will get paid off.

I am not sure about the range you wrote there giving you 29% equity. A lot of those hands would definitely bet the flop. He might raise all of those hands preflop, but since he didn't bet the flop you can further define his preflop range.

Anyway, this is a clear call to me.

I think you could bet on the flop. And as played turn is definitely a call. The range you gave to villain is not accurate. When everyone checks on the flop and BB checks turn too MP can be firing with his whole opening range.

Originally posted by la55i
I think you could bet on the flop. And as played turn is definitely a call. The range you gave to villain is not accurate. When everyone checks on the flop and BB checks turn too MP can be firing with his whole opening range.

Do you really think you can bet this flop La55i? I think you are going to get called like always on this board. There are 2 other players in the pot. Just because 2 people checked doesn't mean they are not going to call. They could very well be on a draw or going for pot control. And there is basically no turn but a 6 that you can bet. every card higher than a 6 is a scarecard for you.

When we are multiway and hit something we can definitely lead. In multiway pots we have better fold equity and if we are going to call villains bet anyway it would be better to take the initiative to ourselves. So yes, I really think we can bet this flop
And on the turn we can bet any card that improves us, those are any 6, any 5 and any diamond.

I don't think you have the fold equity here. But it's true on some boards you have more foldequity if it's multiway. But not on this board I don't think. The only hands that call you, and that is a lot of hands, have a lot of equity against the 56 here. And they are just going to call again on the turn. I'd fold this to a bet on the flop also btw. Am I way too nitty?

you pretty aggro lassi? I wonder!

In reality MP's opening range and BB's calling range are quite wide and don't hit this flop super hard. When both check here we can reduce a lot of good hits from their range. Villain slowplaying a set here is unusual and bad play.
I think we can really reduce the amount of sets, pairs and draws significantly in their ranges but even if we keep their whole opening ranges we have around the same amount of equity than they do.

With a pair and a backdoor draw it is definitely a call on the flop. Some coaches say that even if you have 72o and hit a pair of duces on the flop you never have to fold because you might be ahead and you have 6 outs to improve. If you would fold this hand vs cbet OTF I think you might fold too much to cbets and be extremely exploitable.

When we lead and villain calls he still has mid pairs and broadway cards that he will fold to a turn barrel. If we don't hit OTR and spade draw doesn't complete we can just shove. It makes a great 3 barrel bluff. It might be aggressive but it works.

Still I do not think that 3rd pair is good enough for a bet on flop.

Thank you for your thoughts about this hand.