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Hi, below is my hand, but I think it is important to mention that UTG according to Poker Tracker stats was VPIP-17, PFR-6. I have assumed that he could have JJ in his hand playing so aggressively. Was I correct to fold or should I play?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
BTN: 66.5 BB (VPIP: 20.59, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
SB: 111 BB (VPIP: 28.13, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 34)
Hero (BB): 158.5 BB
UTG: 103 BB (VPIP: 28.13, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
MP: 41 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♥ K♠

UTG raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, UTG calls 2 BB, MP calls 2 BB, BTN calls 2 BB

Flop: (20.5 BB, 4 players) 6♣ 8♥ J♦
Hero bets 10 BB, UTG calls 10 BB, fold, BTN raises to 61.5 BB and is all-in, fold, fold

BTN wins 48.5 BB


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Yes, I´m callin. Villain is short and we have strong hand. I see there QQ, AA and sets.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

First thing is that your 3bet pre flop is about 10bb too small. You are missing value and inviting all of the villains into the pot. You don't want to play this vs 3 opponents. On the flop the board is somewhat connected and you are multiway, I think it would be good to bet at least 2/3. When shortstack villain shoves I would call.


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tiltmonk
Joined: 02.07.2014

OMFG - really? HERO, What are the hell are you doing? That is horrible ever-ever play with KK.
You have premium hand OOP with Multiway pot. You are wasting and burning your equity.
1) Squeeze preflop with 16-20 BB, just look a lot of callers and you are oop, that is NL2 and a lot of bad players are here. Take value from them.
2) FLOP: I guess it depends on the villain AF or AFR. Yes, he could have JX hand - but he most probably would squueze JJ preflop and now he shoves in MWP. So, if he is passive on the postflop - I guess it is fold, if he is agro - it is an easy call.

PS: If you like to waste your equity - it is your choice, but if you would squeeze with normal size preflop - 16-20Bb , you would have the easiest ever postflop with squeezed pot with over pair vs short button.


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tiltmonk
Joined: 02.07.2014

Originally posted by Mozzek
Yes, I´m callin. Villain is short and we have strong hand. I see there QQ, AA and sets.

Really? Let's count = QQ(6) - you beat
AA(6) + 88(3)+66(3) + JJ(3).
So, hero has 31.92% KhKs vs that range.
OTF pot 40,5+61,5 = > 102BB. We need to call 51,5 to win 153,5*0,96 (rake based calculation) => 34,94% required, but we have only 31,92% vs that range. So, is itl profitable call? :coolface:


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Yeah, sorry, I think I guessed his range too tightly. I would say he has some AJ also. I think we should call, because our play is really weird and he might shove there with weaker hands.


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tiltmonk
Joined: 02.07.2014

Originally posted by Mozzek
Yeah, sorry, I think I guessed his range too tightly. I would say he has some AJ also. I think we should call, because our play is really weird and he might shove there with weaker hands.

I think it still a question should we call or fold. Bcs we don't know how agressive out villain on postflop. Most of the time vs 20/3 or 18/5 or something like this if his AF is 1 or 2 i think we should fold, it is just bcs he was passive preflop and now he is agro in MWP - just note, he shoved on 2 opponents. That is pretty strong move with capped range. I guess if he would have a real short stack or we were playing correct preflop with 16-20BB squeeze it will be easy call (preflop: our 16-20bb sq + at 16-20bb of caller + 7,5 bb of caller and opener => flop pot: 39-48bb we cb 1/2 or 2/3 => pot is about 80bb, if villain will shove now =>we need to call about 20bb to win 150bb pot. Is it +EV to call 20 to win 150? - Sure).


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

Definitely agree with the above. The call shouldn't be your main concern. Your loss in equity and value is.


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I can see what you are saying guys, it all makes sense now. I am pretty new to poker trying to learn as much as I can. That was a good advice, thx.


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