KK preflop facing 4bet OOP

What do we do when a decent reg 4bets to 3.5x (?) in position? Do you ever fold KK? I feel like i just had to lose 150bb here.

I would say getting it in with KK is rarely a wrong move. Good reg might 4bet only KK+ value range from UTG but he might have some 4bet bluffs too. Or then he 4bets QQ+,AKs, who knows. I believe that on the long run you will make money there.

If you are deep stacked and you are concerned then do not stack off with KK.
No need to fold, flat call.
Normally you do not stack off with AK and QQ when deep stacked, you could include KK here then.

Flatting KK would be ok but I'm not sure if it makes a difference. If villain has AKs in his value 4bet range and maybe AQo in his bluff 4bet range and there is an ace on the flop, it would have been better to stack off pre. And if the board runs out like this we are probably going to lose a lot of money anyway. If we think villain has too often AA when he 4bets us, why even flat call then?

KK vs AA happens quite often in poker. This is one of the spots where you don't have to use much energy. Next time you will have AA and villain goes broke with KK. And if you go to your tracking software you will see that KK is still one of the hands that makes you most money.

Classic cooler

I don´t shove this only when I have a huge sample on villain and see his extremely low 3bet/4bet stat.

Huge stats doesn't help as much as one would think. Villain has huge stats on you. If he thinks "you 3-bet UTG/HIM tightly/loosely" then he'll 4-bet as a bluff little/plenty.

I don´t think people at NL4 use stats like that. Maybe some of them, but still majority doesn´t do that imo. E.g.: I have 2k hands on villain, his 3b stat=1%. It´s better to fold, than finding out whether he is balancing something, isn´t it? I mean our goal is to move on to higher stakes and trying to exploit some moves can make it last longer. I´m not saying exploiting is bad at micros, but this seems to me kinda advanced and might be contraproductive. And last thing, I don´t really remember, when I folded KK preflop, so I think all this discussion is on hypothetical lvl, because spot like that occurs rarely imo.

I don't think you can ever fold KK. flat call does'nt really help you either with KK IMO. Hypothetically if you think he has AA then you flatcall for setvalue (???), It means you need to give up your KK if you don't hit. But I don't think you ever give up KK postflop with overpair here (so result is the same against AA you play stack).
Also villain can cbet a lot with JJ+ after your call, so If you give up on Axx flop you become exploitable IMO.

When you flatcall his 3bet you slowplay your hand so the purpose would be to keep lower hand in his range. In a sens you can make more value from worst hand but it's more risky.

So in the end I definitively prefer push here, you don't offer odds to small PP that could hit set if you just call and against AA no way you got away IMO.

Originally posted by Mozzek
I don´t think people at NL4 use stats like that.
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If they play a lot, they do. Regs use stats too much, not too little. If you have 2k hands at NL4, they are regs. Recreational players would play higher and fewer hands (because it is supposed to be recreation, not boring grinding:f_biggrin:)

So how can I exploit this? Look at my stats and than try to break the order? Can you give me a hint and tell me what are popular moves to exploit regs like that? I play nl4/10.

Originally posted by Mozzek
So how can I exploit this? Look at my stats and than try to break the order? Can you give me a hint and tell me what are popular moves to exploit regs like that? I play nl4/10.

The strategy article : Exploits (4): Keeping ranges wide give you some hints.
However in NL4, IMO you should just focus on your line vs the recrationnal ppl, there are plenty enough of them to not consider that much your play against the reg

Thanks. Unfortnately I usually have regs (as far as we can call them regs) only at the table, so the biggest EV+ for now might be to learn some explo moves.

Originally posted by Mozzek
So how can I exploit this? Look at my stats and than try to break the order? Can you give me a hint and tell me what are popular moves to exploit regs like that? I play nl4/10.

You are very right about asking the question "how does villain rate me"? This is an integral part of hand reading. Level zero: What do I have? Level one: What is his range? Level two: Which range does he put me on? Level three: Which range does he think he represents to me?

Level four and on may make anyone dizzy, and it's not about going to the maximum level of hand reading every spot. It is about being one notch cleverer than the opponent. If you go too high, you outwit yourself. That is, try to figure out how sophisticated villain is. If he is on level one (most regs at the micros will try to put you on a range, and that's it), then level two is easily enough. For example: If you think you represent a weak hand to him, don't bluff yourself, but call down a little more. Likewise, do you look strong? Bluff plenty.

Actually, I believe the best reads are notes. Whether they call too little/too much, etc. This is easy to spot by just keeping the eyes open. A calling frequency of turn/river raises doesn't tell much even after thousands of hands, but a note saying "this guy called a river raise with two pair on a dangerous board" says a lot. Absence of such notes also says something. (He is nitty.) A note like "this guy raised a big flop donk with a JJ overpair" also opens up for exploitation. You'll without a doubt find out what possible exploits may be.

Don't go too far with these exploits. One successful such per reg and week on average would be plenty. Leveling wars can backfire. They will remember unusual plays too:)

Thanks, very helpful man :).