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KK overplayed SB vs BTN?

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chrischan0683
Joined: 23.08.2007

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $10.46 (104.6 bb)
BB: $10.33 (103.3 bb)
UTG: $22.84 (228.4 bb)
MP: $5.08 (50.8 bb)
CO: $10.73 (107.3 bb)
BTN: $13.63 (136.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K♦: K♥:
2 folds, CO raises to $0.25, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.85, BB folds, CO calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) 7♠: J♣: Q♥: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.90, CO calls $0.90

Turn: ($3.60) 9♣: (2 players)
Hero bets $2, CO calls $2

River: ($7.60) 7♥: (2 players)
Hero bets $6.71 and is all-in, CO calls $6.71

Results:

Spoiler

$21.02 pot ($0.95 rake)
Final Board: 7♠: J♣: Q♥: 9♣: 7♥:
Hero showed K♦: K♥: and lost (-$10.46 net)
CO showed J♠: J♦: and won $20.07 ($9.61 net)

I'm not sure why my flop bet was so small. Would make it around 1.20 next time.

My problem is the river where i was really not sure what to do. I guess i have a general leak that i don't want to get bluffed in these spots. If i check would does villian bet often as a bluff here? Can I X/C? X/F? If I bet the river small as a blocker, like 2.00 or so, can I fould to a raise or am I commited anyway? Do you see villian calling the river with like AQ? I don't think so right?!

Sorry for my english btw. ;)


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mistralx
Joined: 13.08.2014

This board hits villain's range pretty well.
I would say that this range call you OTT:

Stół: Q♥J♣7♠ 9♣
       Equity  Wygrana  Podział
MP2    60.23%   59.33%    0.90% { KdKh }
MP3    39.77%   38.87%    0.90% { QQ-JJ, 77, AQs, KQs, QJs, AQo, KQo }

Now if it's about river, the hands that call you would be imo only better, so 77, JJ, QQ.
He will fold QJ for sure, KQ also... AQ - we should assume that sometimes he calls, sometimes he folds.
So ... IMO you don't have a v-bet OTR (lets say he calls AQ 50% of the time):

Stół: Q♥J♣7♠ 9♣ 7♥
       Equity  Wygrana  Podział
MP2    46.15%   46.15%    0.00% { KdKh }
MP3    53.85%   53.85%    0.00% { QQ-JJ, 77, AsQs, AhQd, AhQs, AhQc, AsQd, AsQc }

Imo it is the most reasonable to check OTR ... i don't see him turning into a bluff hands like KQ, AQ (those have pretty good SDV). So it should be check/fold because he bets only better.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I wouldn't go broke here. Check fold might be the best option OTR. On this board when villain calls flop and turn I think AQ or KQ is probably the only hand you beat. Those are not so likely to start bluffing OTR if you check.


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chrischan0683
Joined: 23.08.2007

Thanks for your detailed analysis. This makes things and also the thinking process clearer to me.

B/F river really small doesn't makes sense at all so?


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chrischan0683
Joined: 23.08.2007

Originally posted by la55i
I wouldn't go broke here. Check fold might be the best option OTR. On this board when villain calls flop and turn I think AQ or KQ is probably the only hand you beat. Those are not so likely to start bluffing OTR if you check.

Thanks. I really have to learn to think in ranges and so. Makes sense for villian not to bet AQ or KQ.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Preflop, flop and turn are ok imo. But OTR I don´t think we can get 3rd call from worse hand. I would just c/f it.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

That board should set off all alarm bells. Once he calls the flop bet (which is too small), there is little hope making money if more bets go in. Stabbing once more on turn (with which size?) is up to you. River: check-fold >> check-call >> bet. Too little money left to make a block-bet.

You mentioned that you don't like getting bluffed out. That is a privilege they have (which you have too) when in position. There is no way to prevent it.


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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

hi !
You don't like bet 35% OTR? That way we can define his hand, he calls with worse and raises with better. If he jams we can find a fold and spare half a stack.
OTOH yeah he might have a good spot to bluff..


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PatPoker5
Joined: 15.11.2008

After he calls your raise pre-flop, I think the board connects very well within his range. I really like the range analysis posted above. I don't think your flop bet is too small. As in most situations you would want hands to come along. Like worse pairs and draws etc. OTR, I feel like it is a check/fold, check/call.


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msp3101
Joined: 19.04.2016

Some excellent replies here.

Sorry to say I can see villain calling all the way with AQ KQ KT QJ QT and even slow playing post flop AA.

Hope you didn't throw a wobbly :f_thumbsup:


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piR
piR
Joined: 31.08.2008

I would had check/call that River for the rest WP IMO (bigger bet flop as you said), by betting I'm not sure you make a worst hand pay OTR.

Would not check/fold because the 7 is a good card for us (we now beat all the QJ/J9/Q9).


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chrischan0683
Joined: 23.08.2007

Originally posted by piR
Would not check/fold because the 7 is a good card for us (we now beat all the QJ/J9/Q9).

Yeah, but keep in mind that villian does not have many QJ/J9/Q9 combos in his range after my 3bet.


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