J9s flopping OESD+BDs multiway OOP

Originally posted by chrischan0683
Pre flop: If there is only UTG in the hand i would fold. But with one additional caller i get good potodds with a hand that plays well multihanded OOP. Am i right here?

Some would even call with only UTG, but in any case with CO in it's certainly ok.

Originally posted by chrischan0683
Would you guys raise directly on the flop?

I think I would but it's not mandatory. It's depending on what else you wanna raise on that kind of flop, how do you hope to play vs that kind of opponents etc..

Originally posted by chrischan0683
We either got additional outs on the turn or we are dead now. Should we R/F now?

You're anything but dead dude, you're still playing for the almighty straight flush !
It's depending on what remains behind, I don't want to keep one last bet for the river, so either I can broke right now by raising that turn (a reasonable amount ofc), either I can call and be deep enough to fold river if I don't hit. I would decide mainly based on that (if no further reads/infos/meteo broadcast/telephone call from a friend).

Originally posted by chrischan0683
Donk flop to rep the hearts flush? Wouldnt we have raised this earlier? Would villian fold a T?

Leave the donks to the donks, at least multiway in raised pots
And leave the simulation to your girlfriend, you can't control what villains think that much and I don't even understand why the heck would you want to be put on a FD, strange idea.

I wouldn't raise OTF. This hand is just quite weak for that. We have OESD with some bad outs (hearts) and your BDFD is not to the nuts.
OTT I think you can call.

Originally posted by la55i
I wouldn't raise OTF. This hand is just quite weak for that. We have OESD with some bad outs (hearts) and your BDFD is not to the nuts.
OTT I think you can call.

I somehow think that this is not a problem that your draw is not nuts. THe good thingk - in 3way we generate lot of fold equity. While if we call, we do not have FE and still have same bad draws and heart still can come.

2 players are still interested in this pot so I don't know how much we have that fold equity in reality.
If we want to combine our FE and equity I think one good option would be to lead here.

Raisin will lead into big pots and since our draw is not that strong and might get dominated, I think smaller pots are better. I usually have weak hands that have nut potential in my raising range. For example I think something like AdJd would make more sense as check raise, even if it has even less raw equity. But I guess raising this hand would be ok too. Imo all of the lines are decent.

Originally posted by MyFloXyBabY

Originally posted by chrischan0683
We either got additional outs on the turn or we are dead now. Should we R/F now?

You're anything but dead dude, you're still playing for the almighty straight flush !
It's depending on what remains behind, I don't want to keep one last bet for the river, so either I can broke right now by raising that turn (a reasonable amount ofc), either I can call and be deep enough to fold river if I don't hit. I would decide mainly based on that (if no further reads/infos/meteo broadcast/telephone call from a friend).

So Call is fine since we have enough behind on the river. BTW what does "ofc" mean?

Originally posted by MyFloXyBabY

Originally posted by chrischan0683
Donk flop to rep the hearts flush? Wouldnt we have raised this earlier? Would villian fold a T?

Leave the donks to the donks, at least multiway in raised pots
And leave the simulation to your girlfriend, you can't control what villains think that much and I don't even understand why the heck would you want to be put on a FD, strange idea.

Ups.. I meant donking the river (which I edited out). River was a heart.

Originally posted by la55i
2 players are still interested in this pot so I don't know how much we have that fold equity in reality.
If we want to combine our FE and equity I think one good option would be to lead here.

Raisin will lead into big pots and since our draw is not that strong and might get dominated, I think smaller pots are better. I usually have weak hands that have nut potential in my raising range. For example I think something like AdJd would make more sense as check raise, even if it has even less raw equity. But I guess raising this hand would be ok too. Imo all of the lines are decent.

Thanks. Makes sense to me.

Originally posted by chrischan0683
BTW what does "ofc" mean?

Sorry, it means "of course".

Originally posted by chrischan0683
Ups.. I meant donking the river (which I edited out). River was a heart.

I wouldn't try to bluff it, they can have it too for starter and they can call even without, or else it would be pretty pointless to chase for your own one.

Originally posted by MyFloXyBabY

Originally posted by chrischan0683
Ups.. I meant donking the river (which I edited out). River was a heart.

[...] and they can call even without, or else it would be pretty pointless to chase for your own one.

Good point again!

Matthew Janda says that his students are often playing rivers inconsistantly and that to remedy to that he trains them to check their thinking process by asking themselves both if they can value thin and if they can bluff.
If they think they can bluff, then they shouldn't be able to value too thinly and vice versa. If they think both or neither it means they are unclear about the spot.

Preflop: Call is definitely fine. If there was only UTG, I think it´s better to fold (at micros). I´ve recently started to play more widely and I think I kinda overstate it. Now I´m trying to make my game simplier and folding this against UTG is it imo.
Postlop: I think you can c/c or b/f. Both should be ok and are very dependant on villain. For example: if villain fold to donks, I would bet there. As played I´m definitely callin OTT. FH don´t occur that often. Moreover, villain shouldn´t have 22, so only TT, 88 are possibilities.