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KAs vs QQ - all in on flop with crazy board

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Worldtraveler
Joined: 22.02.2016

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $6.28 (125.6 bb)
BB: $9.71 (194.2 bb)
MP: $8.58 (171.6 bb)
Hero (CO): $6.80 (136 bb)
BTN: $5 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K♦: A♦:
MP raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, BTN raises to $0.95, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.55

Flop: ($2.07) T♣: Q♥: K♠: (2 players)
Hero bets $1.05, BTN raises to $4.05 and is all-in, Hero calls $3

Turn: ($10.17) 4♥: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($10.17) Q♦: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $10.17 pot ($0.42 rake)
Final Board: T♣: Q♥: K♠: 4♥: Q♦:
Hero showed K♦: A♦: and lost (-$5 net)
BTN showed Q♣: Q♠: and won $9.75 ($4.75 net)

Help, and tech poor guy, and stupid also :(((


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Pre flop is decent but I guess shoving there would be an alternative too. You would be probably flipping against his range or even be a slight underdog.
OTF I think he has QQ+,AK and sometimes even KQ and AJ although those go more into bluff category. But the point is that on this board villain has a lot of better hands and the best case scenario is that you are splitting. I don't see point in donking.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Well, if I can agree with the preflop call, I disagree with the flop donk. There are a lot of hands that beat us. Calling the push is not good either.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I would most likely check/fold this flop. This board hit his 4bet range hard and you only split against AK or you have some reads on him he’s has a loose 4bet range and he will Cbet a lot.

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SDK1987


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

What's with donking, only QQ TT beat you, let the rest bluff, semi bluff.


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plopfessional
Joined: 21.09.2016

Don't flat 4bets out of postition preflop with 100BB. Fold or shove. If he can 4bet/fold any hands it is likely a shove. At 5NL some people might fold QQ,AK to a shove.

Originally posted by Dadramel
What's with donking, only QQ TT beat you, let the rest bluff, semi bluff.

TT should call pre. I agree with not donking, but we are crushed here. Don't donk into the preflop aggressor unless you have a very good reason. He is representing QQ-AA,AK. You are way behind and can't expect him to fold anything. I would even assume he will always raise allin here and you get stacks in with 31% equity vs his range.

Originally posted by SDK1987
I would most likely check/fold this flop. This board hit his 4bet range hard and you only split against AK or you have some reads on him he’s has a loose 4bet range and he will Cbet a lot.

Seems horrendously nitty but correct. This is what you get for flatting a 4bet oop.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by Dadramel
What's with donking, only QQ TT beat you, let the rest bluff, semi bluff.

AA-KK beat him too...
AJ....


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I think shoving or folding pre would be my options, i wouldn't be flatting 4bets with AK to often and especially not oop. One of the good things about shoving AK pre is your fold equity + you realize your full equity in the hand by always seeing turns and rivers playing it like that.

Because this is a cold 4bet which pretty much no one at the micros does without KK+ i would strongly consider just mucking preflop.

Even if we assume hes a little looser than the average in this spot, and cold 4betting QQ+ AK we are still a 60/40 underdog. Villain needs to have a cold 4bet bluffing range to make it +ev for us to shove i would think . And do villains cold 4bet bluff enough at these stakes to warrant a shove preflop?.

Under normal circumstances id say shove, but i just treat cold 4bets very different to a hu 4bet pot battle.


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