Skip to forum
Notifications
Clear all

NL10 KK vs BTN when do i let this hand go?

6 Posts
4 Users
0 Reactions
1,076 Views
dragonste
Joined: 28.06.2010

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $7.86 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
MP: $10.00 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 24.49, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 51)
Hero (CO): $10.00
BTN: $12.21 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
SB: $15.18 (VPIP: 24.10, PFR: 18.07, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 86)
BB: $3.02 (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has K♥ K♦

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) 7♣ 6♠ 4♦
Hero bets $0.54, BTN raises to $1.53, Hero calls $0.99

Turn: ($3.81, 2 players) 6♦
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.00, Hero calls $2.00

River: ($7.81, 2 players) 5♠
Hero checks, BTN bets $8.38 and is all-in, fold,

this board isn't too bad on the flop the only real hand that he could call with that has me beat is 58 or a set. and I was thinking this really couldn't be a calling hand after a raise so I'm happy to bet the flop and the turn, then he raises my turn bet when a 6 hits has me thinking the only hands that beats me are full house, quads. but he could also be semi bluffing or have an over pair.
then the river a 5 to complete any random 8 in his hand to make a straight, so I begrudgedly fold.

please help... right or wrong to this fold.
I hate to fold this after a big down swing like today, it just makes it more painful. easier to call and throw my money in the pot just to find out!!! two days and 7 buy-ins gone. just not nice or happy! now ive gotta go back down a level NL5 again :( :,(


Reply
Quote
5 replies
xenomorphic
Joined: 29.12.2010

I think folding turn is also fine. Pretty hard to continue OOP, but I also don't mind how you played it because there should be plenty of overpairs in villain's range that you beat that might play this way.

Originally posted by dragonste
I hate to fold this after a big down swing like today, it just makes it more painful. easier to call and throw my money in the pot just to find out!!! two days and 7 buy-ins gone. just not nice or happy! now ive gotta go back down a level NL5 again :( :,(

Work on your mindset. Why do you play poker? Why are you posting hands? You will never get the confirmation that folding your overpair here was good in that specific hand, so stop killing yourself over whether or not someone bluffed you out of the pot. When villain barrels the turn here he is not bluffing. If he is not bluffing then what is his value range? Do you beat ANY of it?

Just fold it and move on, don't beat yourself up. You don't make money by bluffcatching people who rarely bluff, you make it by valuebetting people who rarely fold a made hand.


Reply
Quote
dragonste
Joined: 28.06.2010

Thanks. My mindset needs work granted. Its just horrible, ive only started playing again and went from $10 to $200 from nl5 to nl10 had a crack at nl25 and got slammed, ive lost $120 to stacks on nl25 and then a further 4-5 stacks on nl10 with pure coolers. Just hurts. Take a few days off and come back fresh and back down to nl5 to clear the brain i think.

Cheers for the review and yeah i agree now that you mention it its ok to let them bluff right?? Even if they do at this level i wont be making the money that way will i, value betting them when they have a made hand aswel.
Do you just let them bluff you then? Let them get away with a bluff.


Reply
Quote
xenomorphic
Joined: 29.12.2010

$10 to $200 from nl5 to nl10

$10 is 2 buyins for nl5. Doesn't matter if you are the best player in the world, you will go bust if you take this approach. You must sort out your bankroll management before you decide to start playing seriously. You need $50 for nl2, $120 for nl5, $300 for nl10, and $750 for nl25 (AT LEAST). Be disciplined! When you are properly rolled for the limit then you won't care if you get slammed with coolers, because they are just coolers. Not even worth thinking about them. If you let coolers affect your mindset then you will always be tilting or ready to tilt.

It's not about letting them bluff you and get away with it, it's about playing a solid game. I don't roll over - if someone is taking the piss then I will play back. There are spots where we should bluffcatch, spots where we should rebluff, and spots where we should accept that we can't do anything about it. In your hand we cannot do anything! He isn't bluffing here, so I'm not gonna bluffcatch, and we beat absolutely none of his value range.

In poker you will get coolered and you will get bluffed so you should accept it.


Reply
Quote
YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

That board is very bad. In addition to made nuts and hands mentioned, there are 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, maybe A5s, that could quite conceivably play this way. Some of these improve to trips of full huses on turn. I'd fold turn.


Reply
Quote
nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I agree with the turn fold. Board is paired and connected.


Reply
Quote