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Herofolding QQ's OTF

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MisterSnS
Joined: 09.11.2011

888 Poker - $0.50 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 6.12, PFR: 0.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.34, Hands: 735)
BTN: 201.3 BB (VPIP: 61.54, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
SB: 118.4 BB (VPIP: 23.33, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 31)
BB: 239 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 21)
Hero (UTG): 151.64 BB
MP: 75.7 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♦ Q♠

Hero raises to 2.24 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 2.24 BB, SB raises to 15.2 BB, fold, Hero calls 12.96 BB, fold

Flop: (33.64 BB, 2 players) 5♠ 3♦ 6♦
SB bets 23.3 BB, fold

Villain is unknown. Played this on SNAP.

My first Assumption for the Fast-Poker Formats was that People pretty much never bluff-squeeze in this spot. ALso, we block AQ which they can re-raise as well.

Our perceived Range pre-flop for calling his sqeeze already looks pretty strong (TT-QQ, AK). Still, he fires a >2/3 Pot cbet on this kind of flop. And I was scared to face a turn-shove not wanting to go broke vs. KK+

Therefore I folded the flop. I know this seems inconsequential given the fact that we call pre (just to hit our set?). That's why I am posting this hand to get some good feedback on how to play this spot, and if we can give an average opponent enough bluffs to call the flop.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I will disagree that people pretty much never bluff squeeze.
This is a classic situation.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I would count some bluff squeezes too in his range.

Folding OTF seems too weak, but villain shoving any turn is a possibility.
Because we have no real info on villain, we could take a GTO approach and call with big enough range to deny villains autoprofit.

You probably call his sqz pre with quite tight range? AKo,AQs+,QQ-88? So on the flop you defend with around 60% range -> QQ-88, and if he shoves OTT with about 50% range -> JJ,QQ.

So theoretically I would say flop is a call and so is turn if he shoves. As played QQ is the best hand in your range.


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greatpk
Joined: 04.05.2016

I dont understand your fold on flop. What was your plan when calling pre flop then? Even if we assume he never bluff 3betting pre flop we cant fold on flop esspecially when IP. He still cbet every AQs or better hand when missing on the flop. And if you would face a shove OTT then you could consider folding, but i would still call a shove OTT. And if your against KK or better be it. Theres only 2 hands from his range that you are dominated by, so i would call on flop all day every day.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I also think we cannot fold on flop. We have a strong overpair and folding is too weak.


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Vaars
Joined: 02.09.2012

What are you even hoping for on the flop that would stop you folding? He almost always c-bets that flop so you must call with 88+ as said before and likewise calling a shove on good turn cards. I wonder whether shoving the flop is an option too as you get value from lower pairs and diamond draws I think...


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