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5b sizing question

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JCSeerup
Joined: 14.12.2010

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 109.2 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
BB: 108.5 BB (VPIP: 44.00, PFR: 36.00, 3Bet Preflop: 30.00, Hands: 26)
UTG: 135.3 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
MP: 190.1 BB (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
CO: 103.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♠ K♣

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, SB raises to 9 BB, BB raises to 22.5 BB, Hero raises to 100 BB and is all-in, fold, fold

Hero wins 54 BB

I realise this is kind of a newbie question, but what sizing do you usually go for in this spot? Whenever I get 4b I'm always unsure what sizing to use. Lately I have just been shoving here w my entire 5b range, but I'm not sure if it would be better to go for $4,65-4,95 instead of shoving.


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nsavov
Joined: 24.09.2010

Its pointless - if you 5bet with a 100bb stack with whatever sizing, you are never folding.

GTO-wise I guess you can have some 5bet bluff-shoves in extreme situations, that are really really bad to put half your stack with and then fold/call...

Its better to consider flatting a 4bet with AA/KK and balance it with some of your AXs 3bet-bluffs (if you get the odds ofcourse).


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Usually shove when 5b.
In this case BB cold4b which is strong and shove is all right.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Shove is standard 5bet sizing imo. That is both if you want to bluff and for value.
Even if you would just min 5bet and villain calls you end up playing with very small stack to pot ratio and you are going broke anyway.


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JCSeerup
Joined: 14.12.2010

Also while we're at it what kind of range would you shove at micros vs unknowns and avg/bad regs when facing a cold 4b? Lets just use this spot as an example.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Probably usually just KK+. Sometimes vs aggressive guys AK too?


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by la55i
Probably usually just KK+. Sometimes vs aggressive guys AK too?

Vs aggressive guys we can probably add also QQ. Ofcourse, vs some of them we can stack off even wider I believe.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Vs aggro players we can do it with QQ+, AK.
But as a standard - KK+.


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AlvisR
Joined: 27.02.2009

Originally posted by nitrol
Vs aggro players we can do it with QQ+, AK.
But as a standard - KK+.

With a plan to do it more often with QQ than AKo


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

I like it as played, in this particular case we can definitely add QQ to our shoving range, maybe even JJ? I would avoid going broke with AK as it´s highly variance play.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Sizing (in any situation) depends primarily on stack sizes and the size of the pot. Choose the size so that you have easy decisions in further betting. It this case it means that you probably don't want to raise small and end up getting called (though this is unlikely). What do you do when an A flops? If you were 200 bb deep, things might change. You might not want to isolate AA calling you only.


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