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allinjota
Joined: 13.10.2009

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I Think that he is bet folding QQ JJ KK AA Even 77 88 99 66.
When he calls I think that we can save money and c/b and lose always

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
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8 Players
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Stacks:
UTG Player9 ($10) 100bb
UTG+1 Player1 ($13.06) 131bb
MP1 Player2 ($10) 100bb
MP2 Player4 ($12.01) 120bb
CO Player5 ($10.22) 102bb
BTN Hero ($19.99) 200bb
SB Player7 ($10) 100bb
BB Player8 ($10.15) 102bb

Pre-Flop: (0.15, 8 players) Hero is BTN J♠: J♣:
1 fold, Player1 raises to $0.40, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.40, 2 folds
Flop: 7♥: 8♦: 9♦: ($0.95, 2 players)

Player1 bets $0.61, Hero calls $0.61

Turn: 6♣: ($2.17, 2)
Player1 bets $1.04, Hero raises to $3, Player1 calls $1.96 River: 4♣: ($8.17, 2)

Player1 checks, Hero bets $5.80


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Hi allinjota,
You play a strong hand passively pre-flop, and OTF.

I think a hand this strong deserves a raise preflop, and certainly deserves a raise OTF.

OTT it is possible that he is drawing, but better overpairs are possible, as are made hands.
When you raise him OTT he doesn't believe you have a made straight -- or thinks he can make a better one.

OTR you have showdown value, but a lot of his draws get there, I would check back here, because no worse will ever call.

Cheers,
VS


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nsavov
Joined: 24.09.2010

No worse will ever call? We have the 3rd worse pair - ofcourse no worse will call, hes looking to turn his hand into a bluff.

I think you had the right idea for a bluff. Repping TT and possibly JT when blocking the two jacks.
The thing is your turn raise should be bigger so you can shove the river. Thats the way you want to play your strongest hands that you want to stack your oponent with - the same way with your bluffs.

If you raised turn to 4, you would be shoving 8 into 10 - the perfect amount that looks like a value bet but also giving him bad odds to call.
Also you would make more money off your bluff that way, assuming he folds enough.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

First, I have moved your hand to the hand discussion board, because it’s fits better there.
Further not too much to said what already bin done already.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

This is full ring and we are playing against UTG+1, so I guess just calling pre is ok?
I would guess that his range is quite strong on this board so I have to disagree with a raise, that would be a bluff and I'm not sure if I like turning our hand into a bluff. Thinking that sets would fold vs your turn raise is too optimistic.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Call preflop is reasonable when playing FR.
I will not raise postflop.


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allinjota
Joined: 13.10.2009

Originally posted by la55i
Thinking that sets would fold vs your turn raise is too optimistic.

But he is folding over 70+ vs raise CB OTT


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by allinjota

Originally posted by la55i
Thinking that sets would fold vs your turn raise is too optimistic.

But he is folding over 70+ vs raise CB OTT

And he continues with 30% of his turn betting range vs raises. So, don't you think that 30% could be his sets and even more decent hands?
If I fold 98% vs 3bets preflop, it doesn't mean I fold AA.

If he folds that much, you might be able to raise him as an exploitative move but you have a very small sample size.


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