AK, early stage, chip-leader, one raiser + multi-way

I don’t think calling is bad with already 3 fishy players in the pot. If you are 3betting here it’s likely you will play a big pot out of position and multi way as well. If you want to 3bet I would most likely even shove, because that’s the easiest way to play this hand and you don’t get in awkward post-flop situations.

Cheers,
SDK1987

Originally posted by SDK1987
I don’t think calling is bad with already 3 fishy players in the pot. If you are 3betting here it’s likely you will play a big pot out of position and multi way as well. If you want to 3bet I would most likely even shove, because that’s the easiest way to play this hand and you don’t get in awkward post-flop situations.

Cheers,
SDK1987

I see, thanx. Now i see i'm against awkward (deep) stacks as well. I kinda like the Call more now

Shove AK ftw!!!

Don’t forget this is a play money game and then you could make some other lines then in real money games. Especially in this kind of situations is that a spot you can do it.

Originally posted by SDK1987
Don’t forget this is a play money game and then you could make some other lines then in real money games. Especially in this kind of situations is that a spot you can do it.

I know that
However, i don't plan on beating play money SNGs though.
My plan is to develop a solid strategy for real money by playing tons of play money.
I'm just using play money for massive sand boxing on developing my strategy.
About the fishes, yes i agree there are lots of fishes on play money, especially early stages.
But i assure you players got better on the 10K since Pokerstars decision to cut-off the lower limits (1k, 2k etc.) and start the lower at 10K.
There are lots of fishes as well on $1 and also scared money fishes, something not found on play money tournaments.
Shoving here is a reasonable strategy but don't also forget that play moneys are filled with calling stations. One of them could have QQ and thought a limp-call shove is a good, trappy move.
For all these things, i try not to differ my game because then it becomes harder for me developing that strategy.
I would considering shoving AKo on MTTSNG though, since risking there is necessary to reach the final table, having a good pot already

shoving pre is ok if we think we have no edge on opponents and think are up against fishy players. High variance off course, but never enormously bad

But if we think we have somewhat of an edge shoving this deep is never the best way to max our EV. And if your aim is to move to real money someday, I'd advise to make a raise here and most likely isolate one player. You will have to learn post flop too, so this might just be one of those hands in your playmoney practise that might add up to some of your future spots.

GL

Originally posted by Okkernootje
shoving pre is ok if we think we have no edge on opponents and think are up against fishy players. High variance off course, but never enormously bad

But if we think we have somewhat of an edge shoving this deep is never the best way to max our EV. And if your aim is to move to real money someday, I'd advise to make a raise here and most likely isolate one player. You will have to learn post flop too, so this might just be one of those hands in your playmoney practise that might add up to some of your future spots.

GL

Thanx for the good advice.
Yes, i actually preferred a big re-raise preflop but the table dynamics and/or fishy players and @SDK answer changed my thought.
I foresee i have to invest about 20% of my huge stack on a single hand (preflop raise + cbet) on a potentially multi-way hand vs stations.

I like more the shove (negating my position) but honestly i believe i have an edge against most of them and don't mind to surrender my AK on a regular time SNG. Perhaps way too nitty but i hate these stacks.
If i had say *45bb my decision would come easier but here i like to surrender it.
I guess if that was a 6-max or turbo that would be insta-shove fist pump both hands but been nitty, loving my stack early stage.
I like your point for the edge here. I feel i have pretty good edge here, perhaps that's an extra factor to weight in.

* Collin Moshman example on first pages covers an AK example but with 40ish bb effective, which gives shove as the best play. The difference is i don't have a worthy pot/dead money here)

Originally posted by JKV89
Shove AK ftw!!!

I would like a shove but the small pot saddens me

Originally posted by vlzvl
I like more the shove (negating my position) but honestly i believe i have an edge against most of them and don't mind to surrender my AK on a regular time SNG. Perhaps way too nitty but i hate these stacks.
If i had say *45bb my decision would come easier but here i like to surrender it.

If you think you'd better fold AK than playing it OOP, then I'd say you have no edge whatsoever. Then shove>>>>fold
Folding AK is way too tight imo.
Whats wrong with a raise and evaluate flop? If we hit: we go for it most of the times, if we don't hit: we can evaluate the board and go for check/call or check/fold. No problems there right if we raise and check/fold when the board hits JT9ssx? We are assuming all kinds of difficult flops, misses, multiway pots and are weighing our decision towards that. We should way in a K82 rainbow board as well, where we can make a nice value bet and stack off insta.

If you think you'd better fold AK than playing it OOP, then I'd say you have no edge whatsoever. Then shove>>>>fold
Folding AK is way too tight imo.

By surrendering AK i meant post-flop against a bazillion players as it's usual early stages and with that stack sizes.

allright, that makes more sense.