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4-way all in. 546T

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sebralane
Joined: 18.09.2009

Player 4: folds
Player 5: raises $0.05 to $0.07
Player 6: folds
Player 1: calls $0.07
vesimon: calls $0.06
Player 3: calls $0.05
vesimon: checks
Player 3: checks
Player 5: bets $0.27
Player 1: calls $0.27
vesimon: calls $0.27
Player 3: raises $1.35 to $1.62
Player 5: raises $3.89 to $5.51
Player 1: calls $1.66
vesimon: calls $2.74
Player 3: calls $1.49
Player 3: shows [Qs Qh 2d Kd] (two pair, Kings and Deuces)
Player 5: shows [5c Ac 3s Ad] (three of a kind, Aces)

https://www.boomplayer.com/24067867_C80485C3FF

the odds for me were really good.
Right play?
If wrong then why?


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Padelbro
Joined: 21.01.2010

Wrong play, fold preflop. You dont want to play such low 3 cards hands with low flush draws multiway out of position.

Flop you've strong hand even against top set (this 32x board is really the only board where your wrap outs are to the nuts btw, the reason why this hand is so bad) but it sure looks some of your outs will be blocked when everyone start to get money in on such dry and low board. I think calling cant be superbad, you kind of got yourself on a mess you shouldnt have and now got to just go with it :)


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sebralane
Joined: 18.09.2009

I had to complete with 5c to see the flop.
Soo basicly that was a big mistake?


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Padelbro
Joined: 21.01.2010

Calling 5c (actually 6c here) isnt much, but it's plo2 and 2$ isnt much if you think it that way :) But it's 3.5bb, and thats 7x your original investment. So if you cant turn this hand winning postflop, it will decrease you winrate longer term pretty much.

And as said, you hand will mostly always flop weak straightdraws, weak flushdraws, weak pairs, weak trips. You play out of position and there is 3 other players in the pot. There is a player behind who can raise. If you flop any other draw than 32 for nut straightdraw, your draws will be always dominated by bigger draws which will have better equity and position to you.

Again it's plo2 and opponents aren't that good, but I have hard time believing you can turn call a profitable play here even when they make mistakes now and then. When playing against more capable opponents, such hand in such spot will be quaranteed - ev here.


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ZakYoun270
Joined: 10.12.2015

Actually you had to pay 6 cents to see the flop. While there is a school of thought, and I won't comment on the merits or demerits of their position at this point, that argues for extremely liberal defense of the big blind given that equities run so close in PLO, I do not believe that many sober analysts of omaha strategy extend this philosophy to the small blind. Let's take a look.

You are in BB, button opens for pot (7 cents), small blind folds. You have a weak hand. It is 5 cents to call to win 10 cents, so you are getting 2:1 closing the action.

Now let's go in the small blind. Same situation weak hand.

Button opens pot. We are now getting only 1.66:1 AND are not closing the action. So worse odds and potentially even worse odds if BB ends up repotting. Of course were the BB to be a loose passive player we might actually welcome the fact that he is still to act, especially if we had a strong hand. But the point is that while it may or may not be a good idea to liberally defend your big blind it is almost certainly not a good idea to call loosely from the small blind. Given that we are out of position and not getting as good price from the pot I would want either a hand that rates to be as strong, on average, as my opponents are playing or even stronger. Perhaps we could say because we are getting some odds that our hand should be only almost or nearly as strong as our opponents, but I am quite confident that we cannot compete with a hand that stands to be much weaker than what they are playing.

And this T654 ds hand is quite weak. No high card strength, are you essentially playing only three cards and while you are double suited your cards are so little making a flush is not really a lucrative opportunity.

On the flop of course with the nut wrap your hand is very competitive and it's an easy stack off.


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sebralane
Joined: 18.09.2009

alright. I thank you all for your feedback.
I just converted from NL Holdem and thout this was a +ev call preflop for sure.
Turns out I was wrong.
Thanks for feedback!
:f_drink:


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