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AKs 3-way on 664 flop vs donk bet and mini-squeeze

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MetalistULTRAS
Joined: 07.08.2009

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.33 (116.5 bb)
BB: $2.36 (118 bb)
MP: $2.97 (148.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $2.12 (106 bb)
BTN: $2.97 (148.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K♠: A♠:
MP folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BTN folds, SB calls $0.05, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.18) 6♠: 6♣: 4♥: (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.09, Hero calls $0.09, SB raises to $0.18, BB folds, Hero calls $0.09

Turn: ($0.63) J♥: (2 players)
SB bets $0.47, Hero folds

Results:

Spoiler

$0.63 pot ($0.04 rake)
Final Board: 6♠: 6♣: 4♥: J♥:
SB mucked and won $0.59 ($0.35 net)
Hero mucked K♠: A♠: and lost (-$0.24 net)

SB 49/18, BB 49/14

What should I do on this board? My possible lines are:
1) Check back when no action, as I don't have a made hand and we're 3-way
2) Fold to pot size donk bet directly on the flop
3) Call up to 2/3 pot donk bet, then c/f turn if haven't improved (what actually happened, except that I did have to call 6-to-1 flop minraise).
4) Fold on donk bet + raise
please correct if you see any mistakes
thank you
Denys


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

We are playing against most likely 2 fishy players and checking behind is now off course no option now, but if there was no action I don’t think you should Cbet this. I expect both players have a lot of pairs in the defending range that would never fold.

It’s strange why the BB is leading, but I expect he must often a pair or something and we need to hit to win 1 of our 8 outs for a pair and I don’t think it’s to profitable to do and if we hit we don’t win to often a lot of chips as well. That’s why I would fold right away on the flop.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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MetalistULTRAS
Joined: 07.08.2009

Originally posted by SDK1987
We are playing against most likely 2 fishy players and checking behind is now off course no option now, but if there was no action I don’t think you should Cbet this. I expect both players have a lot of pairs in the defending range that would never fold.

It’s strange why the BB is leading, but I expect he must often a pair or something and we need to hit to win 1 of our 8 outs for a pair and I don’t think it’s to profitable to do and if we hit we don’t win to often a lot of chips as well. That’s why I would fold right away on the flop.

Cheers,
SDK1987

Thanks for your answer. Haha, look at their stats, they could do a loot of strange play, not only leading the flop :)
Btw, I have 6 outs for a pair (as I already have 2 at my hand). So yes, if i put him on a pair, it would be difficult to improve to a better hand. The question is does he really have a made hand. Sure, the flop hits their range way more than mine. But with almost 50% VPIP they will call preflop a looooot more than just a small pairs. So it's really difficult for me to read their hands. Probably the one that min-raises OTF does have a pocket pair, has hit a 4 or a 6. I have to consider that those hero-folds vs such a loose passive guys annoy me a lot, i'm a bit angry when seeing such a nasty flop and a guy leads into me when i have a huuuuuge advantage preflop over their flat-call ranges. It's a question of experience and mental: if i know that my line is +EV, it won't bother me much. It will definitely come with experience, accelerated by hands discussions


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Varune
Joined: 24.04.2009

AKs doesn't really have that huuuuuuge of an advantage vs 2 guys this loosepassive. In fact it's behind vs their 'combined' ranges. i.e. you have less than 50% equity 3way pre.
1) i'd bet smallish to let them fold out their equities. If they hold, lets say 89 and TJ they still have alot of outs to outdraw your AK.
2) no need to get fancy vs potsize bets, so yea fold is ok 3way.
3) I'd just raise this weak looking donkbet most of the time, so i'm not often in this spot. if they donk with complete air they still have 25% equity vs you, which they draw to 'for free' if you just call. When the one guy donkbets and the other minraises, i suspect atleast one of them to have hit this board, seeing it is paired, you could be near dead so i'd fold flop. he'll probably follow up turn 100% after x/minr the flop.


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