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SB TT call or fold ?

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RentzEst
Joined: 05.09.2015

Pacific, $0.91 Buy-in (800/1,600 blinds, 200 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): 20,344 (12.7 bb)
BB: 11,273 (7 bb)
UTG+2: 16,756 (10.5 bb) 30/28 H 49
MP1: 19,429 (12.1 bb)
MP2: 20,304 (12.7 bb)
MP3: 20,601 (12.9 bb)
CO: 15,209 (9.5 bb)
BTN: 11,641 (7.3 bb) 24/11 H110

Preflop: Hero is SB with T♦: T♠:
UTG+2 raises to 16,556 and is all-in, 4 folds, BTN calls 11,441 and is all-in, 2 folds

Flop: (26,882) 6♣: T♣: 3♦: (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (26,882) 6♠: (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (26,882) 8♦: (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results:

Spoiler

26,882 pot
Final Board: 6♣: T♣: 3♦: 6♠: 8♦:
UTG+2 showed J♥: A♠: and lost (-11,641 net)
BTN showed K♠: K♦: and won 26,882 (15,241 net)

I think that since the late phase of the tournament was already there, the fold should be the right one against two opponents.
If I look back then I should have called


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insomnia666
Joined: 31.07.2010

AKo, AQs, 99


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RentzEst, I agree with you, fold was ok, if a T didn't come to the board You'd never posted the hand. I think that call a push is much more difficult than shove one.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Originally posted by insomnia666
AKo, AQs, 99

I’m not sure what you mean with this.

If we don’t count ICM in a spot like this I would call TT for sure.
Based on the Nash ranges this is an easy call as well.

Off course the BTN seems tight, but I expect TT is even against his calling range this is profitable most of the time.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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insomnia666
Joined: 31.07.2010

Originally posted by insomnia666
AKo, AQs, 99

I’m not sure what you mean with this.

Pretty obv imo. AKo, AQs +, 99+. Range for shove.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

The range of who is then still the question, but even then we could even shove wider if you suggest it for our range.


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insomnia666
Joined: 31.07.2010

Ok, in this situation I will raise All in with AKo, AKs, AQs, AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT and 99. I hope this is clear enough. Well, what is your range? SDK1987...


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RentzEst
Joined: 05.09.2015

Arnalsan You've misunderstood the fact that T did not set my decision to post this hand. I would have posted if T had not been dropped. While I was posting my hand, I already understood that I should certainly have called.
I have to take more time in the game to think about my decision, because if I remember, I made this decision very quickly.
Thank you all .


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Originally posted by RentzEst
Arnalsan You've misunderstood the fact that T did not set my decision to post this hand. I would have posted if T had not been dropped. While I was posting my hand, I already understood that I should certainly have called.
I have to take more time in the game to think about my decision, because if I remember, I made this decision very quickly.
Thank you all .

I expressed poorly. TT is insta call because is a move EV+ against villain's push range (whatever), but, when I fold a made hand like this situation, I always think: Call with TT is EV+ and even do if I loose the tourney I'll make money in the long run, but, I'm too focus in immediate results. I understand your point..
Cheers,


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Originally posted by insomnia666
Ok, in this situation I will raise All in with AKo, AKs, AQs, AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT and 99. I hope this is clear enough. Well, what is your range? SDK1987...

I see, but was possible you mean a range of someone else.


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insomnia666
Joined: 31.07.2010

Originally posted by SDK1987
... but even then we could even shove wider if you suggest it for our range.

What do you mean? "Wider" . Maybe AQo, 88 or even wider?


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Depends on the players that will go all-inn, but you can easy isolate with 88+ ATs+ AJs+ and KQs with the tight BTN player in mind.


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insomnia666
Joined: 31.07.2010

This is pure gambling. You can use some tools and see the picture. I already know how ugly will be.
Edit: just kidding ofc. But I was curious about your answer. Because your range is incorrect. What about 77 and 66?
And actually the profit will be so small, we don't need for those borderline hands. Also, if you lose, you will have 2 blinds only. And this is not good. The calculator does not show that , but this is also -EV. I mean some minus, added to your "isolating push".


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

We are playing pure Cev in spots like this and it depends a lot how wide we think the BTN will isolate to make a good calling range here. The UTG+2 player can easy shove with any pair there and is less a factor then the BTN I think.


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