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GleDi713
Joined: 19.07.2017

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 102.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
SB: 122 BB (VPIP: 5.56, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 18)
Hero (BB): 175.5 BB
UTG: 115.5 BB
UTG+1: 112.5 BB (VPIP: 8.00, PFR: 4.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
MP: 175.5 BB
MP+1: 47 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
MP+2: 182.5 BB (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
CO: 111 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♦ Q♠

fold, fold, MP raises to 4 BB, fold, MP+2 calls 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 14 BB, MP calls 10 BB, fold

Flop: (32.5 BB, 2 players) K♦ 2♥ 8♥
Hero bets 8 BB, MP calls 8 BB

Turn: (48.5 BB, 2 players) 7♣
Hero checks, MP bets 18 BB, fold

MP wins 47 BB

I'm not really sure if I played this hand all right. How do you proceed in this situations ?


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TurokRider
Joined: 21.10.2011

For starters, I would 3bet a lot bigger. Something like 20-22BB (potsize-ish) seems more appropriate.

You cbet is also way too small. any bet that small accomplisses nothing. Either you dont get enough value from worse hands or you give "a free card" to draws/highcards/pairs or you are building a pot for a weak king that already beats you but will not raise. Making such a small bet also screams weakness so you basically invite him to take a stab OTT or OTR.

Weak betting is killing ! Deffo work on that


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

HI GleDi713,
With such large effective stacks, you can up the aggression.
Since you have a raise and a call ahead of you, there is even more reason to 3Bet larger -- you want to keep BB out.
When you have two players ahead of you, and you're going to have to play OOP the rest of the hand, it is even more important to establish yourself.

OTF -- unfortunate flop for you.
Weak bet looks like you're being tentative (or trapping).
Bigger bet will rarely get a K to fold, but if you're bigger bet gets called, you've a better idea of what you're up against.

As played, I think that the fold is OK.

I'm curious to see what others think of this hand.

All the best,
VS


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Hi,

Bet size preflop was ok, but cbet was too short and in my opinion showed weakness.

Villain's cold call range should be something around: JJ-88,AQs-ATs,KJs+,QJs,AQo-AJo,KJo+

In this flop his range hits 5 times his range and missed 9 times, because of this I think cbet is ok, but around 2/3 of the pot.

Turn I would cbet again 2/3 and will just fold if he re-raise.


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bigdog63
Joined: 24.10.2011

I agree with the others that cbet was too small.
Nevertheless, if you start this way, lots of weaker hands have called your bet. So, bet any non-heart turn, and non connecting river


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Imo minimum sqz size here would be around 18bb.
When it comes to the flop bet size, I disagree with others a bit. As a squeezer I believe you should have a nut advantage here. Villain doesn't have that many nutted hands in his range. The board is not connected king high 2 low cards, which doesn't probably hit super strong with villains calling range. When we play with these kind of ranges (when you are value heavy and villain is probably weakish) you could either skip the cbet or then bet small. But when I say small, I think 10-15bb would have been slightly better.


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GleDi713
Joined: 19.07.2017

Thanks everyone for the replies, I really appreaciate it!


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kvince
Joined: 30.10.2016

I think your preflop 3-bet size was really small, and this makes your postflop decisions more difficult. Because of the excellent odds he is getting on the preflop call, he has a very wide range on the flop, including lots of weaker Kings. I find that the 1/4 pot sized bet OTF isn't perfect either. I think these smaller (1/4-1/3 pot size) bets are generally used and make sense with a polarized range, not with marginal made hands. I think betting is correct, because he's gonna have lots of drawing hands due to his wide preflop calling range, and you can get value out of those. However, I would go for a sizing between 1/2-2/3 of the pot, following up with another barrel on the turn, because your range is gonna be very weak after a turn check, so he can bluff you with all his draws/weaker hands.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think these smaller (1/4-1/3 pot size) bets are generally used and make sense with a polarized range, not with marginal made hands.

That sounds a bit weird to me since first you are talking about using a bet size with our range and then what we should do with a marginal made hand. If we are playing our range, we are playing our range, not the hand.
The more our range has value hands, the smaller we should bet. For example, if our squeeze range has a lot good hands like AA,KK and other top pairs + our bluff range doesn't hit this board very well, it is correct to choose a smaller bet size.


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