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Top Pair, Good Kicker - Big bet from Villain on the Turn

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Spidey1978
Joined: 25.07.2007

Party, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10.33 (516.5 bb)
BB: $0.98 (49 bb)
UTG+1: $1.78 (89 bb)
UTG+2: $0.98 (49 bb)
MP1: $1.79 (89.5 bb)
MP2: $1.87 (93.5 bb)
MP3: $1.42 (71 bb)
Hero (CO): $2 (100 bb)
BTN: $12.17 (608.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q♣: J♦:
UTG+1 calls $0.02, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, MP3 calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.10, 2 folds, BB calls $0.08, UTG+1 calls $0.08, MP2 calls $0.08, MP3 calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.51) 9♦: 2♥: J♥: (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets $0.24, MP3 folds, Hero calls $0.24, BB calls $0.24, UTG+1 folds

Turn: ($1.23) T♦: (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets $1.17, Hero calls $1.17, BB folds

River: ($3.57) 4♣: (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks

Results:

Spoiler

$3.57 pot ($0.17 rake)
Final Board: 9♦: 2♥: J♥: T♦: 4♣:
MP2 showed Q♦: Q♠: and won $3.40 ($1.89 net)
Hero mucked Q♣: J♦: and lost (-$1.51 net)

Pre-flop: Speculative hand - okay to play with this many limpers?

Flop: So I figured he had a draw and called here. Should I have been re-raising to isolate? Don't feel it is a strong enough hand to re-raise. Don't think it is a fold although should alarm bells be sounding as he plays passively pre-flop then opens the betting on the flop?

Turn: He makes a big bet here - the size of the pot. At this point should I have given up? Straight completes - he is continuing aggression.

River: As played, check behind I guess is probably right.

All in all, I am leaning towards folding the turn, what do you think?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Hmmm,
I think that calling the flop is OK.
OTT, you now have an open-ended straight draw, but don't have the odds to call. You don't even have decent implied odds, since even if you do hit any of your outs, he only has $0.35 cents behind. That is assuming that he has a set or an over pair. Which is how his play looks to me.

Yes, check back river is definitely correct, and yeah, you're probably right about folding the turn.

Cheers,
VS


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Fanko
Joined: 24.08.2010

You should probably not raise preflop as well as QJo does not do that well multiway. As played flop is a call and turn is a fold.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

I wouldn't be the one squeezing the pre-flop


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

About turn:
I think folding is an option but calling might not be terrible either.

And about pre:
If you decide to iso-raise, I think it should be even bigger.
You can limp, fold or iso pre. I don't think it makes that much of a difference.


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tmannie
Joined: 09.06.2009

Before looking at the spoiler I put Mp2 on either a set with a straight or flush draw on the flop since he only called preflop, and thus I think I would have folded on the turn. I think perhaps calling the turn and river with only a pair of J and a draw was a bit optimistic , but hindsight is a lot clearer than foresight.
tmannie


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tmannie
Joined: 09.06.2009

Before looking at the spoiler I put Mp2 on either a set with a straight or flush draw on the flop since he only called preflop, and thus I think I would have folded on the turn. I think perhaps calling the turn and river with only a pair of J and a draw was a bit optimistic , but hindsight is a lot clearer than foresight.
tmannie


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by Spidey1978
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Pre-flop: Speculative hand - okay to play with this many limpers?
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Certainly. Just don't think you can steal the pot preflop by putting in a pathetic raise. You can't. It is so much more lucrative to just call. Costs nothing. If you raise, it would solely be to "buy position".

Important: If you play well, and the rest of the table don't, then this is the juiciest spot you can be in. Don't ever fold here.

Originally posted by Spidey1978
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Flop: So I figured he had a draw and called here. Should I have been re-raising to isolate?
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In a multiway pot, you have to seriously consider the possibility that you are beat holding top pair, no kicker. Raising would be an option (you'd be bluffing with the side benefit that you can take a "free card" on turn), but you have much better hands to bluff with, like T8s. You can call, but only based on position. It should be clear that it is impossible to win a big pot. If it gets big (e.g. if you hit trips and someone plays with you) you lose every time against value hands. Out of position, you should check and fold.

Originally posted by Spidey1978
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Turn: He makes a big bet here - the size of the pot. At this point should I have given up? Straight completes - he is continuing aggression.
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Easiest fold in the world. Top pair and no kicker just got much worse than bad.

Originally posted by Spidey1978
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River: As played, check behind I guess is probably right.
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This would be the time to think about bluffing. The conclusion, everything else not considered, is that you have no money with which to bluff.


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