3 street donk from fish

I guess a fold on turn would be fine
Flop Donk is small and you have got TPGK betaute is less half pot...
Turn is a blank and betaute is above half pot so I guess it is for value and even a strong hand like A8 K8 K6 or 86
Maybe sometimes 99+
But difficult to fold vs fish ingame

We cannot fold top pair on turn...

Originally posted by nitrol
We cannot fold top pair on turn...

Why not?

Hard to construct ranges from SB callers (I have no experience since I never really call an open from the SB) but I would assume there are a ton of 8’s (both suited and off suit) in his range and he appears to be kinda passive Pre so even AKo might be a call for him. He did donk out into two players (BB still in hand at this point) so this is less likely to be a donk bet bluff. So his value range is going to be good kings (K8s+, K10o+, AKo) and 8x most of the time. Possibly the occasional thin value/made hand into bluff (QQ, JJ, 1010) but I think you can discount these holdings when he sizes up the turn.

I think if you call the turn brick you have to call the river brick. Is he aggressive enough to bet his K9, K10, KJ, KQ (split) on three streets to make the turn and river profitable calls? It’s very close but I would assume calling down is going to be slightly +EV in the long run.

Originally posted by Talisker74

Originally posted by nitrol
We cannot fold top pair on turn...

Why not?

What changed on turn?

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Talisker74

Originally posted by nitrol
We cannot fold top pair on turn...

Why not?

What changed on turn?

First: Calling range from SB should mostly small but kind of value hands....
On the Flop villain bets 1/2 potsize vs two other players, this seem quite strong and mostly for value
Turn: It is a blank, but villain continues betting, but betsize is higher (2/3 pot)
So it could be slow played a strong hand on flop to keep both players in pot to make him big
now 1 villain folds and he bets higher to get it in, because he thinks that you have a hand which can call some big bets

Just calldown, folding would be horrible. He shouldn't have AK, so we have the best K.
He shouldn't have 8x alot either, calling it pre and donking here isn't a good gameplan... if he does play it this way, we have way better info next time we come across a similar spot vs this guy.

Also his AF% goes way up on later streets, this is abnormal, thus we should just calldown with probably the best bluffcatcher we can have.

Donk bet: 3 (32) !!! And it was 0 when I was playing

Easy fold OTT. AK, many 8x. But who cares!? Good luck with "defending with the right frequency" vs this fish.

I would just call it down (esp. vs 1/2 sizing OTR). I believe fish can play worse Kx this way and KQ is just way too strong to fold here.

Btw, I don´t think that donk bet stat is really relevant. First the sample is too small, second paired boards are "special" case imo.