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River raise or push againts a fish

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lastmohican33
Joined: 28.12.2017

We flopped the nuts. Villain min donkbet, so we had to raise it. I chose that size, what I normally bet if Villain checks. On the turn I decided to risk, and I chose slowplay instead of raise again. /Villain stats: 38 hand (59/5), Agg%:55; AF: 3,8; WTSD:17(23 hand); WSD: 0 (4). /

On the river we got only a half pot bet (so I though we are ahead), so I raised it. The target hands: strong TPs and two pairs. This is why I chose only ~2,5x.

The question is may I push or raise more? The Villain is a huge fish, maybe he called the push too.

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $5.48 (109.6 bb)
BB: $5.63 (112.6 bb)
Hero (UTG): $5.23 (104.6 bb)
MP: $5.27 (105.4 bb)
CO: $5 (100 bb)
BTN: $5 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J♠: K♠:
Hero raises to $0.15, 4 folds, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32) 9♣: T♥: Q♥: (2 players)
BB bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.20, BB calls $0.15

Turn: ($0.72) 2♣: (2 players)
BB bets $0.35, Hero calls $0.35

River: ($1.42) 2♦: (2 players)
BB bets $0.70, Hero raises to $1.80, BB calls $1.10

Results:

Spoiler

$5.02 pot ($0.21 rake)
Final Board: 9♣: T♥: Q♥: 2♣: 2♦:
BB mucked 7♣: A♣: and lost (-$2.50 net)
Hero showed J♠: K♠: and won $4.81 ($2.31 net)


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

The flop you can easy raise like 25c for value. The rest of the hand seems standard. If you raise again you let him fold almost everything and now you keep his range wider.

On the river I would shove for value. You can shove for only $3,98 more and I expect he would call with the same range as now most of the time and raising like now looks stronger as well.

Now I would make a note he can even call with ace high and that would be 1 of the few hands that would fold on a shove.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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lastmohican33
Joined: 28.12.2017

Thank you for your answer. I was hesitating on the river about the raise saize, I almost shove.

So you said shove is better, because the the normal raise seems to be stronger than a shove?
This strategy works only againts fishes or it works againts the regs too?


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MatoStar
Joined: 22.07.2017

Against fish I would raise almost pot bet OTF and I think we can profitable shove OTT, because he is fish--- never fold FD,SD, sets,twopairs, top pair sometimes. I don't like this slowplay against fish, because he can easily hit flush and then we will in a tough spot and if he doesn't hit then he wouldn't call shove with busted draw. And you can easily avoid these tough decisions, so definitely recommend at NL5 just go ahead and play straightforward.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

You can just pot raise on flop.
Turn is a good spot for a raise/push.


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sdf256
Joined: 21.07.2016

I would never slowplay this turn. Why would you want to give him a cheap river card, when your nut hand can be suddenly a crap hand on a heart card? Just raise him and if he reraises then its easy call, if he calls then its easy river shove.


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CucumbaMan
Joined: 13.10.2017

The comments here are very useful again, guys! :f_drink:

I agree, that you should raise on the turn, there are now 2 flush draws on the board, so you definitely do not want to give Villian a free card.


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CucumbaMan
Joined: 13.10.2017

How much would you guys bet on the flop if there's no donkbet? Around 50% of the pot?

And if Villian checks turn as well, you would bet about 70% of the pot?

Thanks in advance! :f_cool:


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lastmohican33
Joined: 28.12.2017

Thank you guys for your answer and your opinion.

I though about the turn raise too, but then I just let him to bluff. The chance of the flush is below 20%, and his range so wide (59%), so he might have a flush draw, but mostly he hasn't. I just use the equilab and I have 95% againts his wide range in this double drawed board. If I raise the turn or shove the turn I think he fold the big part of his range, which range bluffed the river and called my river raise 'cause he though I just try to bluff him.

Ok sometimes we got a bad river card, but I calculate it when I chose the slowplay. If some of the draws arrive I just reevulate my hand depending on his bet size.

I'm just a newbie, so maybe my thought is wrong. This is why I post this hand here.

ps: Sry for my bad english :)


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

There are too much cards that will kill the action. I prefer to put as much money in the pot as I can when I am ahead.


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KatalonacX
Joined: 22.11.2013

You miss so much value here.Raise bigger on flop,turn,river,hands like this play for hole stack. GL


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

It looks like the PS community has spoken, but just to reiterate, definitely bet bigger on the flop, raise the turn and jam the river.

Alot of rivers can kill getting value from Qx/2pair, and we want to charge as much as possible to his draws.


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lastmohican33
Joined: 28.12.2017

Thank you all!


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