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[Early stage] KK vs. Turn donk shove

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msmozzarella
Joined: 14.03.2017

Hi! I am a bit reluctant to post the classic "cooler with AA/KK/AK" type of hand, but I just wanted some input on my reasoning here. BB is unknown, UTG+1 I have some hand on, and he seems to be a bit on the loose/passive side. On the turn, I can't see how the 3♠: would improve either opponents range in any way. So focusing on BB I don't think any TP-type hand would check/call the flop and shove the turn, and I don't think it's very common for someone to do this with complete air at this stage at least.

So, I think etiher has us crushed, or a draw some of the times. Given the pot odds I only need 38% equity to call profitably, and there are so many flush draws in his range, I think it's hard to let it go here. Your thoughts?

Pacific, $0.90 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 1,480 (74 bb)
BB: 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG+1: 1,530 (76.5 bb)
UTG+2: 1,500 (75 bb)
MP1: 1,500 (75 bb)
MP2: 1,500 (75 bb)
MP3: 1,500 (75 bb)
Hero (CO): 1,500 (75 bb)
BTN: 1,490 (74.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K♠: K♦:
UTG+1 calls 20, 4 folds, Hero raises to 80, 2 folds, BB calls 60, UTG+1 calls 60

Flop: (250) J♣: Q♠: 7♣: (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 187, BB calls 187, UTG+1 calls 187

Turn: (811) 3♠: (3 players)
BB bets 1,233 and is all-in, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls 1,233 and is all-in

River: (3,277) 9♠: (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results:

Spoiler

3,277 pot
Final Board: J♣: Q♠: 7♣: 3♠: 9♠:
BB showed 7♠: 7♥: and won 3,277 (1,777 net)
UTG+1 mucked and lost (-267 net)
Hero showed K♠: K♦: and lost (-1,500 net)


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

In the calculation you need to have even more then 38% if you count ICM in it and the question you need to ask here if he will ever shove with a draw. I doubt a random player in a $1 STT will ever shove with this and you are against 2 pair or better or weird played top pair hand and is folding better or you have good reads on him.

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msmozzarella
Joined: 14.03.2017

Ok, I'm starting to see that my call was probably too ambitiuos, and it's marginal so I should probably just fold. Thanks for the reply, much appreciated!


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