Overcards flush draw.

I dont like the flop call with another villain behind. What are u doing if he raises? Hunting a weak draw is -EV, because u got the flush not always, if u hit u might be beaten by a bigger flush (ur gonna loose alot more money), and when the villain dont have a diamond ur bet is too obvious representing the flush, so u wont get many chips in anymore.

Same with overcards. Hitting them gives u kicker problems.

I see two lines here. Either simply fold OTF. Or "bluff" raise the flop and second barrel OTT representing the flush.

I'm not sure how much I like the preflop call. Off-suit and easily dominated hand multiway and OOP vs the preflop raiser. Against BTN only I think it would be quite standard but now that SB is also interested I'm not completely sure.

I think I kinda like the postflop. We get a very good price so I wouldn't fold here. But then I see also some problems with raising. If we raise here only strong made hands or better flush draws are going to call. Or do you guys think villains will call with some weaker hands and we really have some equity when villain calls? If we don't have much equity, then we are relying on that we get enough fold equity with our raise. Now the problem is that our bluff must get through 2 guys.

Preflop is questionable but SB is fishy so i guess getting in that pot is fine. QJ doesnt play that bad in a multyway.

No matter how good the price is - please fold the flop.

As Tony said, above another option is to bluff raise the flop but against those opponents who look like typical calling stations i wouldnt bluff. I wouldnt even bluff if i was against SB in a heads up pot. Dont bluff the fish they say.

No matter how good the price is - please fold the flop.

"Good price" for what? To be dominated by higher flush or better kicker?

Villain could also have a weak flush or weaker flush draw. He could have a set, or a pair. He could have total air also. These small donks are not very often very strong. These can be pretty much anything. Of course sometimes they are strong but I would say quite often they are something weak.

"Good price" for what? To be dominated by higher flush or better kicker?

That is the worst case scenario. There are many ways this hand can play out. SB could shut down totally and even if we don't hit we might be able to bluff him out. He might continue betting super small with something weak OTT and we might end up winning this hand with a flush or even with just a pair if we hit one. If the river completes a flush with A,K or Q it reduces the probability of villain having a higher flush.

I'm not expecting to win much on the long run if we call but I'm not 100% convinced that we should be folding against a small donk from a recreational player with semi high FD and 2 overcards.

I'm not expecting to win much on the long run if we call but I'm not 100% convinced that we should be folding against a small donk from a recreational player with semi high FD and 2 overcards.

It is just rising a dispersion... We can never guess what fish is playing like that..