KK vs. potential AA

I have to add that this is not the only hand. I see a pattern here. This is the second time exactly the same things on the same day against a different opponent:

888 Poker - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 53 BB (VPIP: 81.48, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
MP: 54 BB (VPIP: 15.22, PFR: 12.41, 3Bet Preflop: 6.52, Hands: 140)
MP+1: 132.5 BB (VPIP: 10.20, PFR: 9.51, 3Bet Preflop: 8.06, Hands: 990)
Hero (CO): 138 BB
BTN: 45.5 BB (VPIP: 34.55, PFR: 12.11, 3Bet Preflop: 2.56, Hands: 191)
SB: 103.5 BB (VPIP: 17.54, PFR: 8.77, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 171)
BB: 128.5 BB (VPIP: 68.75, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
UTG: 98 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.95, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 105)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♣ K♦

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, SB raises to 14 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 30 BB, SB raises to 103.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 73.5 BB

Flop: (209 BB, 2 players) 3♦ 5♥ 4♠

Turn: (209 BB, 2 players) 3♠

River: (209 BB, 2 players) 5♣

do not 4bet. this way you keep their ranges wider.

Can you elaborate more on that? I learned that the best way to play AA and KK is to put in as much money as possible because the equity pre flop is very good. Can you elaborate how you would play KK different from AA then and not be exploitable?

Some times you will face the top of villain's range but this does not mean that he is doing this with AA only...
His range is QQ+, AK.

Originally posted by Bernasconi
So the question is can I give him only AA in this hand? 15/12/3 with 709 hands.

It's hard for a 15/12/3 to 3bet something other than KK+ BB vs UTG you know...

Not 4betting is not a good idea in my opinion. That gives MP a better price to call and we probably are not super happy to play this multiway postflop. Villain could still have QQ and some AK combos. With KK we are still a favorite against QQ+,AK. Even vs QQ+,AKs. And we have 40% vs KK+,AKs which could be enough considering how much we have already invested in the pot (didn't calculate it, correct me if I'm wrong).

But anyway, I think this is quite standard and sometimes we just lose KK vs AA. Shit happens.

well, this is fullring.
first hand is blinds vs utg, on one hand a standard winning nit's range will be only KK+, on the other hand it's hard to give people credit for not having QQ+ AK in their range (because many people stack these hands even though it might be questionable in very tight games).
second hand is CO isoraise vs blinds, this should be an "easy" stackoff, but the opponent has literally 0% 3bet over 171 hands. however, you should still just go with it and hope for the best.

so, this is "standard", but it leaves a sour taste.

If you can't stand taking it slow with KK by principle "because it's KK" then don't play full ring vs nits.

You are into one of the few only scenarios where KK isn't a good 4bet and nevertheless you're relenting "because it's KK, we don't know, maybe he's AK one times out of 100..."

I don't see why or how the call would be bad. We can only lose less and keep their ranges wider. Worst case scenario we lose our stack the same anyway. You're 4betting against someone that stacks off only AA, duh !