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KK 3bet pot turn move?

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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

I like villain paid me, if had got flushdraw or 1010-QQ. Turn min raise always seems the monster hand, but i label this player used bloffing and this villain not the best player this level. Villain stats 22/14, wtsd 23, wonsd 41. So hero move this minraise, always let and fold or push?

SB: $13.02 (130.2 bb)
BB: $10.18 (101.8 bb)
UTG+1: $6.78 (67.8 bb)
UTG+2: $11.29 (112.9 bb)
MP1: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
MP2: $5.94 (59.4 bb)
MP3: $8.35 (83.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $10.93 (109.3 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K♠: K♣:
UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to $0.20, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.90, 3 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.70

Flop: ($1.95) 2♠: 8♥: 2♥: (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $1.24, UTG+2 calls $1.24

Turn: ($4.43) 5♥: (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $2.82, UTG+2 raises to $5.64,

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Hero raises to $8.46, UTG+2 raises to $9.15 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.33

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River: ($22.01) A♠: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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Results: $22.01 pot ($0.99 rake)
Final Board: 2♠: 8♥: 2♥: 5♥: A♠:
UTG+2 showed J♥: J♠: and won $0.00 (-$10.93 net)
Hero showed K♠: K♣: and won $21.02 ($10.09 net)


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sdf256
Joined: 21.07.2016

I think your raise is a spew. Even if he was bluffing.. he will fold all those bluffs vs your raise and will continue with strong hands only, I suppose.

In fact, I would fold to his initial minraise.


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

I disagree with you. Without my hand any heart, if i just call i almost potcommited and river comes heart except king heart i have to give up my hand. And if the river comes ace too. But i think if i have second nut fd, better play this min raise push all in too.


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Laci24
Joined: 07.10.2009

Originally posted by ToddBrunson
I disagree with you. Without my hand any heart, if i just call i almost potcommited and river comes heart except king heart i have to give up my hand. And if the river comes ace too. But i think if i have second nut fd, better play this min raise push all in too.

And what range can you give to villain after he made minraise against you on the turn?

I like sdf point of view. :)


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Every hearts combos, AhQx, AxQh, AxKh, AhKx, JhJx, 10h10x, QhQx, 9h9x. And sometimes he min raise semi bloff, QQ-99. My read was well this time. And you don't forget lag players more bloff than tag.


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

Think I'd nit it out and fold too. It's a turn x raise in a 3b pot, it's a really strong line. Your lucky to see jacks there, he obviously shouldn't be calling.
I think at best you can hope to fold out a naked Ah with this line but more often then not your isolating yourself against a better range.
Pretty sure population analysis comes back with 95% nuts in this spot.


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Andrepipocado
Joined: 31.01.2018

I would have to check turn to call the river if I did not hit hearts. When 5h comes on the turn the action tends to decrease (scary card), when you bet your perceived range is very strong, forcing fold of hands that we won (TT, JJ, QQ, 99, 8x). So I would check to try to induce a villain bluff on the river. As played I would have folded for the raise turn.


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

I don't like check, but i wrote why. If i always folded 3bet pot if i don't hit the three of kind, two pairs, flush, straight or heavy board villain know i lot of folded in 3bet pot if he raises the flop or turn. I think it is very -EV or just fold QQ++. Villains lot of chance the bloff, any 10x, Jx board any low board or drawheavy board. So you say villain played well? He had 4th nut fd and just jacks.


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