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diabloykiss
Joined: 19.04.2018

I think I played the hand pretty well until the river, where villain lets me a really easy decission and I'm forced to call. But what on other scenarios? if he checks, do we have a value bet here, should we shove ourselves? I discount the AK that can pay our shove as its not a 3bet pot. if he donks 1/3 or so, I think we can just call his block bet, never raise.
Well as you can see im SUPER lost in this river spot. Need your help to improve my game in this pots where I can double up or fuck up super hard my well earned stack.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 253 BB (VPIP: 17.50, PFR: 7.50, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 44)
SB: 143.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BB: 148.5 BB (VPIP: 36.59, PFR: 24.39, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 42)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 15.09, PFR: 15.09, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 54)
MP: 37.5 BB
Hero (CO): 421.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♦ Q♣

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) K♣ Q♥ 4♥
BB checks, Hero bets 2 BB, BB raises to 5 BB, Hero raises to 15 BB, BB calls 10 BB

Turn: (35.5 BB, 2 players) T♦
BB checks, Hero bets 30 BB, BB calls 30 BB

River: (95.5 BB, 2 players) A♠
BB bets 101 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 101 BB

Spoiler

BB shows K♥ T♥ (Two Pair, Kings and Tens)
(Pre 33%, Flop 31%, Turn 25%)
Hero shows Q♦ Q♣ (Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 67%, Flop 69%, Turn 75%)
Hero wins 287 BB

thanks and keep the grind up!

EDIT: forgot to add i table talked a bit on the turn saying "mini raiser got you" and "bye" the momment I barreled for almost the pot. Here I was looking for a bad decission on this part, which he did and maybe as well influenced his river play. Btw I think its easy call as only combo that beat me is KJ.


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Sunrise1912
Joined: 24.11.2009

Hard river decision. You also lose to A♥:J♥:, T♥:J♥:, TJs:Jh:9♥:, J9s.

If i were you i would bomb the flop more. Make it like 35BB there.

The way he played it looks like A♥: that got on the river, mb turning into two pair


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Densyosh
Joined: 30.10.2009

This deep, I think your cbet sizing flop is not good, and worst your 3bet..


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diabloykiss
Joined: 19.04.2018

ok guys, It seems I have no clue. So if I'm this deep I should raise more and the cbet size, how much should I go? if lets say I go 7-8BB in 5.5BB pot and I face a raise should I go all in straight or still call to make money of his FDs?

The thing is I aprecciate a lot your help but it feels incomplete to me, would like to know how to react to the scenario my biggest Cbet / Raise would create. Also the Turn T if I make the pot super big OTF would leave me so clueless because possible Straight completes

Elaborate a bit more #Densyosh and #Sunrise1912


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Densyosh
Joined: 30.10.2009

Hello, sorry hard for me to elaborate because my english is pretty bad..

Preflop, 3.5/4x would be good for me, this deep (150bb but BTN has 250bb)
As play, would cbet 4.5/5bb because it's a drawy high flop and Hero has monster hand (sometimes, ovb is good according to vilain) a raise from Vilain would be at least 10bb then you can 3b 45bb (same SPR turn than here river) and you'll have to fold vs donk shove when turn is :heart: because pot odds are 2:1, but you have 3:1 to not see :heart: on turn, so then it's easier to move IP..

Nice call, btw :banana:


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diabloykiss
Joined: 19.04.2018

yeah thanks, dont worry my English is bad as well and your insights are really good!

Flop play is now for me understood.

Turn still is a pot / overbet size bet by my part and /call to a shove as no heart right?

River if villain check, do I have still a good value bet or should I give check back to avoid getting bluffed out of the hand? or still calling a raise?
What line you recommend if villain checks river?

Thanks love this forum


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iugmali
Joined: 03.05.2009

I would raise 4bb preflop. It's profitable raising 4x with monster in NL2.


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GridironAssassin
Joined: 19.12.2014

There are very few hands he can be raising flop here for value. He 3b AK, KK, AA preflop, so that leaves KQ, and three combos of sets of 4's that are raising for value. He is going to have a bunch of high equity draws here usually. AJhh, J10hh, KThh, J9hh, any two connected hearts, AJo, J10o, KTo. I agree with some of the other guys that preflop should be bigger, but only slightly bigger. 2.5x is probably ok on the button, but like 3x in CO and MP and 3.5 or 4x from UTG. Don't vary your raise sizes based on hand strength, vary them based on position. In these super high rake environments, stealing and winning pots preflop, where there is no rake, is SUPER important.

Back to the hand, potting flop would be fine in this spot. You are likely up against high equity draws so you want to deny them a good price to call. With such a strong hand, you don't mind a raise so bigger bet = bigger raise = bigger flop 3b and you start building a pot where you can jam most turns.


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