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4bet bluff preflop

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GragasBrother
Joined: 31.01.2015

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 117.5 BB
SB: 97 BB
BB: 128.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
CO: 183 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6♥ A♥

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, SB calls 2 BB, BB raises to 10 BB, Hero raises to 32.5 BB, fold, BB calls 22.5 BB

Flop: (67.5 BB, 2 players) K♥ 8♠ 4♦
BB checks, Hero bets 24 BB, BB raises to 96 BB and is all-in, fold

BB wins 111.5 BB

What do you think about the bluff 4bet? I thought he might be iso-ing pretty wide, so I decided to go for it.

On the flop though I think I should've given up quicker because it hits his calling range (which I think is KQs+, QQ+) very well. Do you agree?


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Has I've said so many times, it's not worth to play this "Alfa male game" where you try to outplay your opponents with sofisticated moves they just don't have the capability to figure out. This is NL2, 95% of the players you're facing don't understand the game, ranges, equity, pot odds, etc. Therefore, just stick to ABC...
Besides, A6's is one of the hands you wish he was 3 betting with. You block this hands.
I think that to have a good 4 bet strategy pre-flop you need to know the opponents very well, have a decent amount of hands with them, know what they tend to do when facing these spots.
After years playing NL2 I've never implemented a strategy such as that and that didn't make the slightest difference in my earnings.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Without any special info I would not assume villain is squeezing wide. I would probably just fold pre, or call.
OTF check fold.


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OrigamiPoker
Joined: 27.10.2018

I have no problem with the bluff if your playing a balanced enough 4bet game,perhaps the combo can be open for debate in a default range.But given people 3bet bluff i see no problem and the only problem for me comes if its done without forethought with your ranges.I don't like the sizing though 32.5bb is far to big and probably pushes you passed the thresh hold for folding it will be very close.The 4bet should be closer to 22bb-25bb .As played i think post flop is perfectly ok to cbet 1/3p on that board with the back door draw . It's a very dry board and hits your range very well.I honestly don't see an issue playing a balanced 4bet game at micro stakes.If im 4betting QQ+ AK for value i like to balance with 22 bluff combos or thereabouts as a default.Vs a squeeze i tend to think ranges can be a little looser as now all hands like KQ KJ KT AQ AJ AT all squeeze.I don't really agree with ranges being tighter given the squeeze and games generally being quite loose aggro these days.The only issue id have is perhaps the 4bet being a little large and whether or not this hand is planned/default vs unknowns or just button clicking.


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MLima1984
Joined: 19.05.2015

Unless u really know the villain i think u shouldnt do this at nl2, most of the times it wont work.
Remember, its the land of "oh well, lets call an all in with J8o".


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

Wow, overbluffing versus a strong range at NL2. Doesn't seem like the best idea of the day.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Against a random NL2 player I would just fold on the 3bet.
No need to make fancy moves when you not sure if you deal with a fish or not.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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OrigamiPoker
Joined: 27.10.2018

I'm not even sure how important 4bet bluffs are in the micros to be honest although I do use them in a 60/40 value bluff ratio whenever possible.But you can probably get away with using very few bluffs.


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

there certainly exist spots for 4bet bluffing on microstakes, but if you "aren't too sure" what you are doing you can definitely just not do it and it won't be a big deal. i don't think it was a good choice here.
preflop sizing is too large, and we don't really have any reason to believe the squeezer might be wide. cbet is ok, hand choice is generally ok, but here calling is most likely better with a hand that plays well ip and a possible recreational on the sb that's likely to join the flop (that's a good thing).


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