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KK pre flop all in against nity player or fold?

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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Lot of times i have got kings, and villain is rock, nity, tag player showed aces. If villain is really nit or rock, can be folded pre flop KK full ring cash game NL5-NL10? Almost every day i have one or two this situation per day, more than vice versa.
Or 4bet just call pre flop and i hope he just check if i do not hit the set?
Villain plays 700 hands, 14/9, 3bet 3.1, 4bet 16.7, 4bet fold pre flop 100, wtsd 25, wonsd 70.

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $7.25 (145 bb)
BB: $9.46 (189.2 bb)
UTG+2: $5.35 (107 bb)
MP1: $5.40 (108 bb)
Hero (MP2): $5.80 (116 bb)
MP3: $5.39 (107.8 bb)
CO: $3.50 (70 bb)
BTN: $5 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K♦ K♠
UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.52, 5 folds, MP1 raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5.80, MP1 calls $3.90 and is all-in

Flop: ($10.87) 7♦ 5♣ 3♦ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($10.87) 9♠ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($10.87) 8♦ (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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Results: $10.87 pot ($0.45 rake)
Final Board: 7♦ 5♣ 3♦ 9♠ 8♦
MP1 showed A♠ A♥ and won $10.42 ($5.02 net)
Hero showed K♦ K♠ and lost (-$5.40 net)


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think trying to get KK in pre-flop is quite standard. I would consider folding it or playing it slower only in some special cases.


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

But if i know he just push all in KK, AA i had only 22% to win. So my call is bad with kings. And if i add QQ++, i have got only 50% to chance win with kings. Not so good for me. And i guess nitty players never push AKos with 100BB.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

If you know he only has KK+ then it indeed looks bad. Do we know that though?
If he has QQ+ and you would have 50% equity, why isn't it so good for you? That should be more than enough.
Villain didn't push here, you did. Villain did 4bet. And since he is OOP and AKo maybe doesn't play as well postflop as AKs, I think he could 4bet it.
When you do your calculations, don't just consider the range he calls your shove with. Think about the hands he maybe can 4bet and fold vs a shove.


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Just the ship KK.
Is too strong to fold versus any player.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

You need really good reads to fold KK in a spot like this and he need to play indeed only KK+ to make a fold profitable.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

I think nitty players never raise 4bet with AK. Maybe sometimes QQ, but not often. And we check the 4bet range. Average 3bet range NL5 about 6-7. And someone 4bet range 10 or less, only contain KK++. So villain 16.7 about QQ++. But not sure QQ. Only hope coin flip, and this was good chance for me? But maybe enough to call.
I really sure if villain i have got 2K hands or more and his/her 4bet range 10 or less, i almost count villain shove KK++-


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