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QQ post flop play, river call or fold?

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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Villain almost unknown, only 50 hand, 34/17, wtsd 45 wonsd 14. Can i catch some bluff this board or lower two pair?
1010 or AK, A3, A5, AQ?

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $7.53 (150.6 bb)
BB: $5.07 (101.4 bb)
UTG+1: $5.66 (113.2 bb)
UTG+2: $3.83 (76.6 bb)
MP1: $5.92 (118.4 bb)
MP2: $4.78 (95.6 bb)
MP3: $5 (100 bb)
CO: $5.46 (109.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): $8.83 (176.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q♠ Q♦
3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.20, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.47) 3♣ J♠ J♥ (2 players)
MP2 bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.97) 8♦ (2 players)
MP2 bets $0.45, Hero calls $0.45

River: ($1.87) 5♣ (2 players)
MP2 bets $1.30, Hero folds

Spoiler

Results: $1.87 pot ($0.08 rake)
Final Board: 3♣ J♠ J♥ 8♦ 5♣
MP2 mucked and won $1.79 ($0.89 net)
Hero mucked Q♠ Q♦ and lost (-$0.90 net)


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Any special reason for flat pre?
I think it is a standard 3bet. He opens 4x but still you have a very good hand. Call is fine if you have reads.
Flop is very dry, dont want him to 3bet us if we raise, so call is good.
Turn is blank imo. He looks very strong OOP. He probably does not put you on a high pair. A raise here puts him on a nasty spot if he has 99, TT.
Dont know if he double barrels on this board with AK, AQ.
88, AJ, AA or KK are possible as well.
River is a tough one. Does he really think you call there with a weaker J? Very possible.
River completes nothing.
I dont think he has A3 or A5.
It takes me a really solid knowledge on villain to call here.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

You have under represent your hand and that makes it tough to fold I think without any reads on him. He could make a thin value bet with 99-TT as well.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

zetozinho: The most of the time i 3bet, but sometimes i thinked good just call pre flop when i have got in the position. A5. you right not so many chanche, but AK, QQ maybe AQ possible, if we look villain is not a rock or nitty player.Sometimes 99-1010, SDK you right too. But i guess fold not bad mistake for me.


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Originally posted by ToddBrunson
zetozinho: The most of the time i 3bet, but sometimes i thinked good just call pre flop when i have got in the position. A5. you right not so many chanche, but AK, QQ maybe AQ possible, if we look villain is not a rock or nitty player.Sometimes 99-1010, SDK you right too. But i guess fold not bad mistake for me.

Call with QQ is fine, but is not a standard move against a random player. That's why I asked :f_drink:


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

It is just NL5, but i thinked is easy readable if i always 3bet with QQ. If i more variable my play this hand maybe more profitable reach. What do you think or always better abc poker micro limit?


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reggie123
Joined: 31.03.2009

3bet pre, you dont complite the action, if sb calls, then bb gets odds to call aswell and 4way QQ is not that good.


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Some people suggest me, AKs, AKo?, QQ or JJ just call pre flop if i play with CO or BU.


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reggie123
Joined: 31.03.2009

Originally posted by ToddBrunson
Some people suggest me, AKs, AKo?, QQ or JJ just call pre flop if i play with CO or BU.

Do not listen these people, let fancy people play fancy poker, you stay to abc. If you keep calling with QQ then you end up with hands like this all the time. The only exception is when op is maniac and you set a trap.


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

And if villain played 3/3, or 6/6 or 11/8 3bet range 1.1 then you say always 3bet when i have got QQ?


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reggie123
Joined: 31.03.2009

Of course, there are situations when call or even fold is reasonable but this are rare extremes and does not affect the overall picture.


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