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Bruenorx
Joined: 15.09.2014

Hi,

I was not entirely sure how to play this hand. So we are dealing with UTG range here and 2 calls, call on BB is good pre for sure (was thinking of 3 bet, but against UTG range not so good probably - not so worried about 2 callers) I think we are dominated quite often. Flop hits us pretty good, but not so good against UTG range and 4-way. I checked and there comes a bet from button, I think call with top pair and flush is ok. But we can be very behind very often. Aj, AQ with j or Q with spades crushes us, JQ of spades is nuts and against better A (AJ,AQ - AK would 3-bet pre I guess) and trips of 99 we are not doing so great , only hand we kind of beat is KQ, KJ with Q, J of spades which have outs to us (but no idea where I am in that hand, what range does they have???). And also he can be there with hands like 87s and so on. But sizing seems small. So I called. Turn is blank and bigger sizing bet comes as well, I guess I should fold here. River blank again and big bet again and I folded. Not sure if I should fold already flop (seems to weak to me but in 4-way it is maybe best option), looking at it back now, I am not sure. Does he have KQ, KJ with Q,J of spades that often, or any other one spade hand which we beat to call that turn? Or should I try to raise somewhere? No idea. Thanks for some advices.
PokerStars - 125/250 Ante 30 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 14.52 BB (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 24)
UTG+1: 14.76 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
MP: 38.69 BB (VPIP: 15.09, PFR: 9.62, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 53)
MP+1: 29.27 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
MP+2: 40.59 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
CO: 10.4 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
BTN: 50.48 BB (VPIP: 29.17, PFR: 20.83, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 24)
SB: 107.74 BB (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 24)
Hero (BB): 45.34 BB

9 players post ante of 0.12 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.58 BB) Hero has T♠ A♦

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 2 BB, BTN calls 2 BB, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (9.58 BB, 4 players) K♠ A♠ 9♠
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks, BTN bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Turn: (15.58 BB, 2 players) 5♣
Hero checks, BTN bets 7.79 BB, Hero calls 7.79 BB

River: (31.16 BB, 2 players) 2♦
Hero checks, BTN bets 15.58 BB, fold

BTN wins 31.16 BB


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Pre-flop is standard. 3betting multi way is tough and playing a big pot out of position isn't what you want with ATo I think. On the flop the btn is betting extreme small against 3 players and with the flush draw a call is fine, but I think you need to hit the flush to win multi way and I doubt he will ever bluff multi way here. On the turn I would just give up. He has you beat almost always and you aren't drawing to the nuts with 8 outs for a flush.

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SDK1987


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eudodo
Joined: 11.05.2008

I do not think I would call on the turn. BU bet looks like a steal - he can afford with a position and his stack and that's why I am thinking that small raise on the flop could do the trick? something like 7.5 BB ...


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Bruenorx
Joined: 15.09.2014

Thanks for response SDK much appreciated as usual :). I am not seeing any point of raising on flop much, especially with two more players behind us... WHo is going to call us? No one, only someone with better. And as SDK said it is unlikely that he will be bluffing so I don't think we have much fold equity, especially with small sizing as you suggest. But thanks for the idea! :)


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