KK pre flop all in

I would go broke here all the time with KK. If he would shove QQ+ and AK it's profitable for sure and you need to have good reads that he's only shoving KK+.

Cheers,
SDK1987

If i know villain just push all in or call KK++ i always have to fold if i 4beted pre flop with KK or call?

KK+ is like AA, because he has only 1 KK combo. I am sure that you must fold, but let's do the calulations:

You must call 3.55 to win 10.07 so you need to win in 35.2%
KK vs KK+ is 22.6 to 77.4
22.6 is not even close to 35.2, so easy fold.

As I've written in some many other post about spots with KK preflop:
You can't fold KK preflop 100bb effective. It is totally irrelevant what they might/might not shove with.
I think the most important question here is: who's still playing FR in 2019? ♦

Lot of winner player if you read article lot of player can win full ring NL25 or NL50. And not some cents what they win every year.

6max you should 50 buy in every limit because if you not hold this rules you easily lose all your money only the variance will take it. Full ring you can play 10-25 buy in and almost never can lose all your money if you don't do any crazy call pre flop or post flop.

Lot of players you find cash game pot limit omaha micro limits and this games when you almost never can win more than 6max and full ring no limit cash games tables. But lot of players have pot limit omaha cash game too.

You might be right, actualy. Certainly less winrate but also less variation, less regs probably because all regs and those who are learning now go 6-max, if you learn how to exploit nits well you might have a good profit.

Originally posted by SDK1987
I would go broke here all the time with KK. If he would shove QQ+ and AK it's profitable for sure and you need to have good reads that he's only shoving KK+.

Cheers,
SDK1987

"I would go broke here all the time with KK..." Sound advice!

I have an impressive win rate with full ring and was a dreadful shorthanded loser before I abandoned shorthanded a few months ago. I am not quite sure why I am good at full ring but am terrible at shorthanded. I guess that I am always trapping, slow playing, and waiting for my opponents to make mistakes. With shorthanded, there are less players in the hand and less opportunity for me to capitalize on a players’ mistake. For example, I always limp AA hoping for a following player to raise so I can three bet to 15 or 16 Big Blinds. With shorthanded, there are less players which follow. So the chances of luring a raise that I want to three bet are much less with shorthanded.

FR is boring, at least online.
When I play live, the tables are always 9/10 players, but the game is totally different.
I played FR when I first started (already a few years ago), made some money, but it was very monotone and I changed to 6max in a few thousand hands.
Where I play online, there aren't even FR cash tables. The house has no interest in having those tables because everybody plays literally 10% of the hands and as you know pots taken down preflop don't pay rake.
Even live, where I play UTG has to pay straddle so that he's incentivized to play more hands. (in the lower limits at least, which are the 0.5/1$ tables, equivalent to online NL100).
I've been playing SH for a long time and I'm used to the dynamics. You need to be way better than the average FR player, more aggressive, defend your blinds more often and with more quality.
Resume: get KK and be happy, you won't regret shoving this hand with 100bb stacks (even with bigger stacks ♦).

Originally posted by zetozinho
FR is boring, at least online.

LOL! Yeah, I can imagine that FR is boring to some. I enjoyed paying SH. But, I prefer to win. I am truly enjoying FR. I agree that the dynamics of SH are completely different. I need much more experience at FR at higher stakes before I can be confident in my play. At that time, I may try to learn SH.

Originally posted by srichards I guess that I am always trapping, slow playing, and waiting for my opponents to make mistakes. With shorthanded, there are less players in the hand and less opportunity for me to capitalize on a players’ mistake. For example, I always limp AA hoping for a following player to raise so I can three bet to 15 or 16 Big Blinds.

I couldn't disagree more, but I don't want to hijack this thread. I mostly play FR very str8 forward and that produces an above average profit.

Yeah if you hate big swings, want to play a very standard game without much creativity and still want to make a good profit FR is for you. Like zetozinho said it's boring, depends on what type of a person you are. For some people having fun is high priority and they will not handle FR, for others will be exactly the opposite, so it's very person dependent.

Originally posted by pguest

Originally posted by srichards I guess that I am always trapping, slow playing, and waiting for my opponents to make mistakes. With shorthanded, there are less players in the hand and less opportunity for me to capitalize on a players’ mistake. For example, I always limp AA hoping for a following player to raise so I can three bet to 15 or 16 Big Blinds.

I couldn't disagree more, but I don't want to hijack this thread. I mostly play FR very str8 forward and that produces an above average profit.

I could not agree more with you. I am a strong believer that there are various ways to win at poker. Thus, it does not surprise me that we can have very different post flop playing styles and both are successful. You are not hijacking this thread. Your points are interesting to review.

I don't think I would ever consider folding KK pre 100bbs deep maybe if you were a lot deeper you could consider flatting the 3b and going post flop with them but i think even doing that is a bit nitty imo..

There is a thread about FR vs SH: https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=353877

I, myself, am still unsure when to make the transition. Weirdly enough, I'd prefer playing FR, 3-handed or even HU over 6-max, which doesn't make much sense.

Less players on the table require more focus/attention and better read skills apart from more tolerance to variance, IMHO.

Originally posted by ToddBrunson
Hi!

If i know villain just push all in or call KK++ i always have to fold if i 4beted pre flop with KK or call? Lot of 3bet and 4bet so i think villain always push KK too.

2K hand 15/12 pre flop 3bet 6.7 4bet 13.6, wtsd 26. Pre flop 3bet BTN 8.

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

SB: $4.94 (98.8 bb)
BB: $6.59 (131.8 bb)
MP1: $14.98 (299.6 bb)
MP2: $3.24 (64.8 bb)
Hero (MP3): $5.14 (102.8 bb)
CO: $5.66 (113.2 bb)
BTN: $5 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K♦: K♣:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, CO folds, BTN raises to $0.45, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.45, BTN raises to $4.60, Hero raises to $5.14 and is all-in, BTN calls $0.40

Flop: ($10.07) 4♠: 5♦: J♠: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($10.07) J♦: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($10.07) 9♦: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Spoiler

Results: $10.07 pot ($0.42 rake)
Final Board: 4♠: 5♦: J♠: J♦: 9♦:
Hero showed K♦: K♣: and won $0.00 (-$5 net)
BTN showed A♠: A♣: and won $9.65 ($4.65 net)

i think you do everything right this happend sometime so nothing to worry about