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Another All In Success Factor and JJ Pot Committed

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srichards
Joined: 26.11.2012

My definition of pot committed is that the player only has two choices. Player can fold or bet/call up to his entire stack. He cannot call and fold later. He cannot bet and fold later. If you disagree with this definition, we can call this an Only Two Choice position rather than a Pot Committed position. Villain played poorly by raising to 11 BB. If he is called by one player, he will have 86 BB stack with a 26 BB pot (86/26 = 3.3 SPR). He will be in an Only Two Choice (“Pot Committed”) position with JJ. This is truly unpleasant. There are 3 out of 13 cards which can ruin his JJ (Q, K, A). One of my All In success factors is that players put themselves in a Pot Committed position with very vulnerable hole cards. I only put myself in a pot committed position with AK, QQ. With KK or AA, I would re-raise. This guy probably thought he was unlucky to run into my set of Queens. No, he was wrong to pot commit himself with only JJ.
Ignition - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 272.72 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
BB: 144.88 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 5)
UTG: 95.52 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
UTG+1: 97.12 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 115.2 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BTN: 64.04 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) UTG+1 has J♠ J♦

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q♥ Q♠

UTG raises to 3 BB, UTG+1 raises to 11 BB, Hero calls 11 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 10.6 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (37 BB, 3 players) Q♦ 7♥ 4♥
SB checks, UTG+1 bets 16 BB, Hero raises to 32 BB, fold, UTG+1 raises to 86.12 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 54.12 BB

Turn: (209.24 BB, 2 players) 6♣

River: (209.24 BB, 2 players) 8♣

UTG+1 shows J♠ J♦ (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 18%, Flop 0.1%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 201.24 BB


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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

To me, he played poorly postflop. How a middle pair, OOP, vs 2 opponents is good enough to stack off OTF?
He is almost dead vs any Qx and don't have even a bd fd draw.

Btw, I don't like your cold call to a 3bet pre, but I guess some people would play that way. I'd mostly 4-bet or fold depending on villain.


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srichards
Joined: 26.11.2012

Originally posted by pguest
To me, he played poorly postflop. How a middle pair, OOP, vs 2 opponents is good enough to stack off OTF?
He is almost dead vs any Qx and don't have even a bd fd draw.

Btw, I don't like your cold call to a 3bet pre, but I guess some people would play that way. I'd mostly 4-bet or fold depending on villain.

Interesting, you would fold or 4 bet in response to the three bet depending on the Villain. That seems reasonable. But, Ignition is an anonymous site and I never consider the Villain’s tendencies. I really can’t get enough data to accurately know my opponent. Do you agree with Villain’s preflop raise to 11 BB with only JJ?


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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

I *think* villain's preflop is ok. 3betting a little bigger for being oop.

Considering that the initial raiser is utg and there are still so many players to act, he could simply call and depending on the other players' actions, play for set value, but it always tricky doing that oop.

Postflop, I think he could cbet, but 3bet /shove vs a mini raise, oop, seemed too much to me.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

This is a interesting spot to think of a 4bet pre-flop with QQ I think. Post-flop is off course standard with top set.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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