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20$ | 6 max | Don | bubble | J8s

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maniac
Joined: 29.03.2006

hi,

same as in the 99 hand. I dont need to shove this one. I think its not worth it.

HRC

iPoker - 125/250 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: 2,966 (11.9 bb)
Hero (SB): 3,300 (13.2 bb)
BB: 1,070 (4.3 bb)
CO: 1,664 (6.7 bb)

4 players post ante of 25, Hero posts SB 125, BB posts 250

Pre Flop: (pot: 475) Hero has J♦: 8♦:
2 folds, Hero folds

Spoiler

Results: 350 pot (0 rake)

BB wins 350


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

You can put some ICM pressure against the short stack. Especially if he's tight I wouldn't mind the shove.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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akibe
Joined: 10.02.2008

Hi,

Easy shove bro :) if you dont push J8s what is your shove range here ?


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maniac
Joined: 29.03.2006

If think that I dont need to shove any hand here because I can fold into the money with this stack.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

That's true, but ICM pressure is a strong tool. Especially on the bubble.


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akibe
Joined: 10.02.2008

EV of push is better than ev of fold. If you dont push that and dont make icm pressure you let your opponnent a big chance to gain EV.


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maniac
Joined: 29.03.2006

I agree akibe if this tourney is not a don


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akibe
Joined: 10.02.2008

Obvious in evchips its easy push, but here in a don its a push too... ^^ What is your equity of winning @ this moment and if you loose the spot how many % change.

Great risk/reward
Great chance of take pot, if call and lost you have decent percentage of winning, if call and win you just finish the sng. Here if opponent dont call too too wide its ev+ to push more than fold :) (if you think your edge is too big to push for take a minmal ev its another but can we speak of edge when we have max 12bb deep @table^^?).

I think many player in don make the mistakes of dont push the correct hand when he cheapleader but imo its a lost of ev.


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maniac
Joined: 29.03.2006

well the ev to gain is so little its not worth the risk.


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