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overpair in 3bet pot, shove vs cbet

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sinkoat
Joined: 12.11.2010

Hi guys!

First of all, villain stat 34/24/8,3 with 95% flop cbet(out of 21hands) over 357 hands. My plan was to push on flop, because I guessed, that he cbets too much here, and he will fold here a lot.

Preflop openraise/calling 3bet is standard.

The thinking I wrote here, is vs only villain. If the other guy would show any aggression, I would fold.

OTF I would call, because fold is not an option here. Imo raising/pushing is not an option here aswell, because he won't fold too many cards here(maybe AK,AQ,AJ(but I block half of the AJ combos). A♣:K♣:,A♣:Q♣: and TT+ won't fold here, that's better here to call. And we are in a multiway pot, and I'm not IP vs him.

OTT if he would bet, I would c/f, because in a 3bet pot betting twice usually could be QQ+.
If he would check, I wouldn't bet if any A,K,Q comes, I would checkbehind. If any :club: (expect A♣:,K♣:,Q♣: ) would come, I'm not sure what to do.
In any other scenarios, if he would check, I would bet.

OTR I would c/f vs bet. Otherwise I would check.

How would you play here? I'm looking forward reading your comments about this hand.

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $5.04 (100.8 bb)
BB: $5.38 (107.6 bb)
Hero (UTG): $6.20 (124 bb)
MP: $4.05 (81 bb)
CO: $6.61 (132.2 bb)
BTN: $8.06 (161.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J♠: J♣:
Hero raises to $0.12, MP folds, CO calls $0.12, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.55, BB folds, Hero calls $0.43, CO calls $0.43

Flop: ($1.70) 7♠: 3♣: 4♠: (3 players)
SB bets $0.82, Hero raises to $5.65 and is all-in, CO folds, SB calls $3.67 and is all-in

Turn: ($10.68) T♥: (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($10.68) K♣: (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results:

Spoiler

$10.68 pot ($0.44 rake)
Final Board: 7♠: 3♣: 4♠: T♥: K♣:
SB showed K♦: A♠: and won $10.24 ($5.20 net)
Hero showed J♠: J♣: and lost (-$5.04 net)
CO mucked and lost (-$0.55 net)


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CharlotteD
Joined: 04.02.2013

I dont like calling a 3 bet this big preflop with JJ. Villain makes a big 3bet vs UTG open, repping a strong range. You dont have good odds to setmine, you dont have initiative on the flop. 50% of the time an overcard comes on the flop, what are you gonna do vs a cbet?
So fold preflop or 4bet fold pre, but 4bet rather small to avoid being too comitted to have to call an all in. I would advice the fold tbh.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Against a LAG I wouldn't mind to make a 4bet to like $1,50 and fold to a shove. Sometimes a stack off is profitable against a LAG as well. As played I would just call most of the time to keep his range wider, but in the end he called even with 2 over cards and he lucked out on you. That's to bad.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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mafioso03
Joined: 16.08.2010

PF i would fold or 4bet.call let's you in a difficult spot facing a c-bet with an overcard.
As played, against a LAG player and without any notes,i would push on the flop too. you beat overcards like AK or even overpairs like 99 or TT.


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londonsystem
Joined: 19.11.2008

On stars, you could consider cash out option.

Pure math will tell us that cash out is bad. However, if you cash out often in this kind of spot (clearly ahead but vulnerable), your LAG opponents could not push you around on postflop.


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sinkoat
Joined: 12.11.2010

Thanks for your comments guys!


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sinkoat
Joined: 12.11.2010

Originally posted by mafioso03
PF i would fold or 4bet.call let's you in a difficult spot facing a c-bet with an overcard.
As played, against a LAG player and without any notes,i would push on the flop too. you beat overcards like AK or even overpairs like 99 or TT.

Would you push here even in a 3way pot?


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