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Alek891
Joined: 11.07.2015

PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.01 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $9.64 (96.4 bb)
SB: $10.31 (103.1 bb)
BB: $10.00 (100 bb)
UTG: $10.00 (100 bb)
MP: $2.82 (28.2 bb)
Hero (CO): $18.09 (180.9 bb)

6 players post ante of $0.01, SB posts $0.05, BB posts $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.21) Hero has Q♠: Q♥:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB raises to $0.90, fold, Hero raises to $1.80, fold, SB raises to $4.90, Hero calls $3.10

Flop: ($10.26, 2 players) 3♣: 5♣: 3♦:
SB checks, Hero bets $13.18 and is all-in, SB calls $5.40 and is all-in

Turn: ($21.06, 2 players) 4♣:

River: ($21.06, 2 players) 6♠:

Results: $21.06 pot ($0.95 rake)
Final Board: 3♣: 5♣: 3♦: 4♣: 6♠:

SB shows K♥: K♦:: (Two Pair, Kings and Threes)
(Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)

Hero shows Q♠: Q♥:: (Two Pair, Queens and Threes)
(Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)

SB wins $20.11

Yo,

Vs his 5bet we are behind his KK, AA.
If we hit our Q, we will probably take the rest of his stack.
By calling preflop, I am rather committed, so if I call, I might as well just shove allin preflop.
I think I would fold it now, especially considering I might not realize my equity.

What do you think?
Cheers


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najtreg12
Joined: 25.06.2009

I think with normal dynamics (and without additonal reads) between late position open and SB, with a button limp, QQ is fine to stack-off preflop.
Just unlucky imo, and as you mentioned yourself, just get it in pre.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

When playing with antes in a cash game, do you always still open-raise 3BB?
I don't think it would make any difference in this hand.

I'm not 3Bet folding QQ unless I know opponent is v v tight.

Cheers,
VS


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much prefer it if villain shoved these smaller than stack size 5bets 100bb deep always seem to be KK+ so if your going to an make exploitable fold with QQ these would be the type of spots. Your 4bet size is a touch on the small side though id make it more towards 22bb-25bb id probably still go broke as well with QQ from these positions even given villains line.


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Swish29
Joined: 06.04.2009

If villain was not terrible (suppose he would do decent 3bets/5bets sizings) there would be nothing you could do. Here we could argue that because of his obnoxious sizings we are behind but that's impossible to assert with certainty, I've seen such sizings (especially the 3bets) with bad hands too.


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

When you 4bet pre you should have a clear idea on how to handle his plays
-Call 4bet: Put him on JJ AK AQ TT 99?
-Min 5bet: If he made it 4.50 or less I think I will often fold QQ because people shove AK and do this with KK AA
-Shove: I would call, given that I chose to 4bet this for value.

I think you can strongly consider calling the 3bet vs more passive players. At high stakes this is usually an easy 4bet from the CO. If you were in MP or EP i think this would be a clear call.

vs his exact line i think folding is reasonable, it's close

His 5bet was on the larger side which still lets me put AK in his range.


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