what to do with middle pair on the flop

Just fold the flop after the second player called. Your pair is rarely good here.

Your kicker is poor also — so two pair isn't going to be all that wonderful, plus the 8 would complete some straights.
Multi-way your only hope is 2 outs to trips, which may or may not be good.

87s is a low frequency 3bet for me but I don't flat it on HJ.

Pre-flop I need some info on the UTG player, but most of the time I would fold right away. After the 3bet I'm done with the hand as well. It's hard to play 87s in a 3bet pot without position.

Flop is a easy fold. BTN player shouldn't bluff against 2 villains and I expect you are facing at least top pair in a spot like this.

Cheers,
SDK1987

Originally posted by Dr1fter808
87s is a low frequency 3bet for me but I don't flat it on HJ.

A bit below what i use from the HJ but im unsure about flatting tbh,if im correct solvers dont much like flatting ranges from mot positions.But thats GTO and most people in micros arent playing GTO and flatting ranges from each position do become an option imo. Lets say im using xx combo TJs or AJs lets say from mp or co vs utg or mp i think those can become a 3bet or call option. Rather than 100% 3bet or 3bet or fold especially more so on maybe GG where 3bet pots get raked and single raised pots pre flop dont.

I think in higher raked non GTO enviroments flatting might be a good option. I changed to 3bet or fold ranges and although im winning with that strategy my win rate was higher using flatting ranges in every position rather than 3bet or fold. But then that was on reg tables and my rush&cash sample size is small. So it is something ive been thnking about quite a bit lately.

Originally posted by RedsYNWA

Originally posted by Dr1fter808
87s is a low frequency 3bet for me but I don't flat it on HJ.

A bit below what i use from the HJ but im unsure about flatting tbh,if im correct solvers dont much like flatting ranges from mot positions.But thats GTO and most people in micros arent playing GTO and flatting ranges from each position do become an option imo. Lets say im using xx combo TJs or AJs lets say from mp or co vs utg or mp i think those can become a 3bet or call option. Rather than 100% 3bet or 3bet or fold especially more so on maybe GG where 3bet pots get raked and single raised pots pre flop dont.

I think in higher raked non GTO enviroments flatting might be a good option. I changed to 3bet or fold ranges and although im winning with that strategy my win rate was higher using flatting ranges in every position rather than 3bet or fold. But then that was on reg tables and my rush&cash sample size is small. So it is something ive been thnking about quite a bit lately.

Thanks, that's good to know because I just opened a GG Poker account with some money in it.

In Zoom game, flatting 87s on HJ is just a bad strategy and frankly a waste of time, money, and effort because of squeeze and re-squeeze, not to mention temptation to call in multi-way 3bet pots with RIO.