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2Pair in a High Wet board.Call or Fold RIVER?

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king15br
Joined: 19.04.2018

PokerStars, $0.23 + $0.02 - Hold'em No Limit - 15/30 (4 ante) - 8 players

I completed from SB just because of the ODDs.if it was a raise i woudnt pay pre flop
BTN was Tight Agressive with a 3BET range around 7,5%

i want to know your opinion,should i call this bet RIVER giving 5thye board with a lot of Draws,Straights,Sets and Two Overpars?giving the ODDS,whats the best action in this situation?

joanna1971 (UTG): 643 (21 bb)
Beton37 (UTG+1): 1,732 (58 bb)
Net sms (MP): 1,665 (56 bb)
FLAMIN'_C (MP+1): 1,158 (39 bb)
RedJohn2701 (CO): 1,845 (62 bb)
0429246RA (BU): 1,310 (44 bb)
king15br (SB): 2,017 (67 bb)
SuperKalyan (BB): 1,291 (43 bb)

Pre-Flop: (77) Hero (king15br) is SB with 4♠ T♦
joanna1971 (UTG) calls 30, 2 players fold, FLAMIN'_C (MP+1) calls 30, 1 fold, 0429246RA (BU) calls 30, king15br (SB) calls 15, SuperKalyan (BB) checks

Flop: (182) 4♣ J♦ T♣ (5 players)
king15br (SB) bets 100, 2 players fold, FLAMIN'_C (MP+1) calls 100, 0429246RA (BU) raises to 200, king15br (SB) calls 100, FLAMIN'_C (MP+1) calls 100

Turn: (782) J♥ (3 players)
king15br (SB) checks, FLAMIN'_C (MP+1) checks, 0429246RA (BU) bets 258, king15br (SB) calls 258, FLAMIN'_C (MP+1) calls 258

River: (1,556) K♠ (3 players)
king15br (SB) checks, FLAMIN'_C (MP+1) checks, 0429246RA (BU) bets 513, king15br (SB) folds, FLAMIN'_C (MP+1) folds

Total pot: 1,556
0429246RA (BU) wins 1,556


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irieill
Joined: 20.02.2008

Even with the odds I would have just folded PF. I do not see any value with this hand at this stage and it does not play very well. If you call you hope to hit two pair or trips. On a hit it is very hard to get action.

As played the flop is one of the very few ones that maybe reward you. So I would have led as well to get value from worse hands like Jx or Tx or SD/FD and to have everthing else fold. You are ahead most of the time here. The minraise does not need to mean anything. You block 44/TT/JT and JJ/TT should have raised PF. You are ahead of any dumb played overpairs or semi bluffs (at these BIs). I am not sure what I would have done here, but I would not have got into this situation as well (except in the BB). Maybe shove to not give good odds for overcalls?! I do not know.

From my point of view everything dramaticalle changes on the turn. Any Jx got trips that you are drawing dead and nearly any Tx has a better kicker right now. Also any dumb overpair has a better two pair now. From here on versus more than one player I switch to c/f.

So answering your question: my opinion is do not call the river!


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irieill
Joined: 20.02.2008

What type of game is it? The stacks do not sum up for a SNG.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

This is a 25c SNG on PokerStars. So that must be a 18-45 players on demand SNG.

Pre-flop is indeed most of the time a fold right away. Now you get decent odds, but I wouldn't mind the call multi way for only 15 chips more. Offcourse you need to be cautious post-flop with a weak hand like T4o.

Flop I would lead with 2 pair as well and read less I would stack off in a micro SNG, but it's close without any info on the villain in this hand.

If you call like now the turn is really bad for you. Now you beat only a bluff and multi way that's unlikely. That makes this a easy fold on the turn.

River is a easy fold as played.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Just fold preflop. Even when we get one of best flops our hand can hit we are not super thrilled to get action.

Flop is very drawy and in general people don't bet light in 5way pot. So lead make sense but I would go bigger like 140+. Versus minraise just shove and hope he doesn't have JT or 44 as those are probably only hands we are worried big time. Of course combo draws are flipping as well. With some luck villain has only top pair.

But again don't complete total junk just because of good price. Your position suck and your hand has tough time to maneuver postflop.


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king15br
Joined: 19.04.2018

thanks,that tips elucideted some Spots to me.i don't know if shoving against a miniraise hear would be good because the Stage of Sit(it was very early and we had a lot of BBs).Leading seem the best option here.and like you said,Turn would be a clearly fold.


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