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Joined: 26.06.2011

Both the villains are unknown
That cbet I consider bad in retrospective, as I assign him range like QQ JJ TT AK AQ
My main issue is, how to play this PF? Maybe just overcall?

PokerStars - 10/20 Ante 3 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 1,488
UTG: 1,478
MP: 1,416
CO: 1,118
BTN: 1,358
SB: 2,142

6 players post ante of 3, SB posts SB 10, Hero posts BB 20

Pre Flop: (pot: 48) Hero has A♥ K♠

fold, MP raises to 60, fold, fold, SB calls 50, Hero raises to 240, MP calls 180, fold

Flop: (558, 2 players) J♦ 3♣ T♠
Hero bets 279, MP raises to 1,173 and is all-in, fold

MP wins 1,116


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irieill
Joined: 20.02.2008

Your decision to 3bet PF is good! Do not overcall here for nearly the same reasons I listed in your other hand: You are OOP with a very strong hand that does not play well multiway. What do you expect if you overcall here? Some A or K high dry board that both villains go crazy on with nothing? Personally I would have made it a little bit bigger to 275-300 because of the positional disadvantage and to impair the odds especially for SB if MP calls. My main goal is to get both to fold and collect the chips without any postflop play.

As played the flop is very interesting I think. My first thought was c/c or c/f depending on the sizing if any, because we have a clean GS and good OC but the flop does better connect with villains calling range, but lets have a look at the ranges:
My 3bet range in this spot would be somthing like TT+, AQo+, ATs+, JTs+
If I was villain my calling range would look like QQ, JJ, AKo, AQs, AJs, KQs, QJs

For me this looks like no one has a big range advantage and therefore I like the cbet to put a test on villain. I would like to know if there is a big EV difference between check and bet here. Does anybody know or is able to calculate?

Given that villain only semi bluffs his OESD you have a clear fold.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I have moved your hand to our hand discussion board. There fits it better.

Seems well played. 3bet sizing seems fine as well and you can't stack off with 2 over cards and 4 outs for a straight.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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MichaelCheckson
Joined: 10.06.2009

Depending on your opponent i would stack off in this situation here and there...


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Originally posted by MichaelCheckson
Depending on your opponent i would stack off in this situation here and there...

With ICM involved you need to have decent reads to call a shove with only a bluff catcher. Most of the time it's not worth it in a 6 max STT.


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MichaelCheckson
Joined: 10.06.2009

Originally posted by SDK1987

Originally posted by MichaelCheckson
Depending on your opponent i would stack off in this situation here and there...

With ICM involved you need to have decent reads to call a shove with only a bluff catcher. Most of the time it's not worth it in a 6 max STT.

Yes you are correct. With decent reads only.


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YXKCOBRA
Joined: 20.09.2008

:spade: :heart: :diamond: :club: I walking on the Milky Way, the AKo (AceKingOff) MultiWay of BroadWay, with my Milkyway [C-(bet)ChocoLATE REG.] @ the night... :sfishg:


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Originally posted by YXKCOBRA
:spade: :heart: :diamond: :club: I walking on the Milky Way, the AKo (AceKingOff) MultiWay of BroadWay, with my Milkyway [C-(bet)ChocoLATE REG.] @ the night... :sfishg:
Not sure what you mean.


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YXKCOBRA
Joined: 20.09.2008

Waiting for: Q :f_love: JUST CALL exactly... :f_thumbsup: :f_cool: [ Q♠: Q♥: Q♦: Q♣: ]


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Originally posted by YXKCOBRA
Waiting for: Q :f_love: JUST CALL exactly... :f_thumbsup: :f_cool: [ Q♠: Q♥: Q♦: Q♣: ]

With 4 outs and playing for stacks you can't wait for a queen I'm afraid.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by SDK1987

Originally posted by YXKCOBRA
Waiting for: Q :f_love: JUST CALL exactly... :f_thumbsup: :f_cool: [ Q♠: Q♥: Q♦: Q♣: ]

With 4 outs and playing for stacks you can't wait for a queen I'm afraid.

There are times even in NL games that you need to play the mathematical odds, and here the odds are quite against you.
Good fold. I do like the cbet, though.

I do hope you took notes that opponent shoved on this board — if opponent was truly ahead — set or two pair — it seems that opponent played it wrong and simply got you to fold what could have been a big money maker for them.


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YXKCOBRA
Joined: 20.09.2008

Originally posted by VorpalF2F

Originally posted by SDK1987

Originally posted by YXKCOBRA
Waiting for: Q :f_love: JUST CALL exactly... :f_thumbsup: :f_cool: [ Q♠: Q♥: Q♦: Q♣: ]

With 4 outs and playing for stacks you can't wait for a queen I'm afraid.

There are times even in NL games that you need to play the mathematical odds, and here the odds are quite against you.
Good fold. I do like the cbet, though.

I do hope you took notes that opponent shoved on this board — if opponent was truly ahead — set or two pair — it seems that opponent played it wrong and simply got you to fold what could have been a big money maker for them.

I will take your advices, GrandMaster. I'll try to play out more expected values :spade::heart::diamond::club: _cool: Happy 20th Anniversary!!! :f_drink:


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LetterRip
Joined: 19.02.2009

We are 70 BB effective, antes are in play. You are OOP with a premium hand. The preflop raise is fine and sizing is fine.

The 1/2 pot cbet is way too large, sizing should likely be 1/5 to 1/3 of pot in a 3bet pot give stack sizes.

The fold is correct you have 4 outs vs TT, JJ, 6 outs vs AA, 7 outs vs KK, 8 outs vs QQ. Seems unlikely this is any of the OESDs or GSDs.


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