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UTG QQ on A-high flop in position

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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

I will often CBet QQ or KK on A-high flops, but this time I chose to check it back
No data or reads — just playing some zoom to add additional table during a tournament.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $10.00
SB: $22.89
BB: $14.11
Hero (UTG): $12.68
MP: $14.21
CO: $10.63

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q♥:Q♠:

Hero raises to $0.29, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.19

Flop: ($0.63, 2 players) 3♦:T♣:A♣:
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.63, 2 players) 3♥:
BB checks, Hero bets $0.21, BB calls $0.21 <<< since he didn't bet out, which I think he would have done since he had an Ace, I decided to bet for value — a delayed CBet. I bet small since it is likely opponent would think I did not have an A and could call with many worse hands.

River: ($1.05, 2 players) 6♥:
BB bets $1.00, Hero ??? Does he really have an A? Trip 3s or 6s? Maybe two pair?

Who calls? Who folds? Anybody raise this?


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

I go check, check, check/call or check/fold.


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kacsa1st
Joined: 09.02.2007

i like the turn bet. if u go small u can vbet river too. if u decide to xb turn u can vbet 75%-pot on the river.

as played when he donk pot river i would go with fold readless. just a few ppl capable bluffing like this in my experience and u do not beat any value.
you should have weak Ax in your xb range on the flop and u can call with those but still not a happy situation (but u shouldn't fold range).


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Thanks for the input...

Spoiler

It appears to be a case of "I have 0 showdown value, let's try to steal it"
River: ($1.05, 2 players) 6♥:
BB bets $1.00, Hero calls $1.00

BB shows 2♦:8♥: (One Pair, Threes)
(Pre 12%, Flop 3%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows Q♥:Q♠: (Two Pair, Queens and Threes)
(Pre 88%, Flop 97%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins $2.91
Rake paid $0.14


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

That's a optimistic play of the villain in this hand. It would work out a lot, but not against you.


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

It's terrible to flat that on BB unless you had a read that you can outplay whomever is opening on UTG.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Dr1fter808
It's terrible to flat that on BB unless you had a read that you can outplay whomever is opening on UTG.

I suspect that I was the one that opponent thought that could be outplayed.
:diamond:  I have almost no recent hands at this limit
:diamond:  I show as quite tight, and fold a lot post-flop. No pair, no draw, no play is pretty much where I'm at when playing above my pay grade.
:diamond:  If I knew that this player was trappy, his river bluff would have worked. I have to win at showdown half the time to break even


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kacsa1st
Joined: 09.02.2007

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
I have to win at showdown half the time to break even

you have to win 33% to be BE!
his bluff has to work 50% to be BE!


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by kacsa1st

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
I have to win at showdown half the time to break even

you have to win 33% to be BE!
his bluff has to work 50% to be BE!

Oh oh — I have had this wrong all along?

I'll do the math in a bit.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

It's a interesting way of trying outplay you and it would work against me. 82o is off course a hand that played terrible all the time.


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Originally posted by SDK1987
It's a interesting way of trying outplay you and it would work against me. 82o is off course a hand that played terrible all the time.

You are not just playing against somebody but also against an actual range(UTG) so that's why you could be lighting money on fire, especially at these stakes.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Dr1fter808

Originally posted by SDK1987
It's a interesting way of trying outplay you and it would work against me. 82o is off course a hand that played terrible all the time.

You are not just playing against somebody but also against an actual range(UTG) so that's why you could be lighting money on fire, especially at these stakes.

And even weirder playing 120 BB deep OOP with no equity


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ZakYoun270
Joined: 10.12.2015

i'd snap it off, smells like a bluff to me.


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Vampiir142
Joined: 01.10.2017

BB offen call with soft Ax hands. So check on the flop with A looks OK.
Opponent river bet is pot bet big, why big bet like so. if he had strong hand would be better check/rise you, you are on the way and you are betting.
With soft hand he could bet like this.
If the bet would be 1/3p - call it easily for proce, 2/3p - fold, pot - think about call/fold.


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bumblebtuna
Joined: 14.08.2022

I'm maybe checking back turn but I like the way you've controlled the pot, makes calling the river an easier.

V seems like a fish with that hand so with hindsight the turn is ok, could probably just make it bigger for value tbh


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